Player Discussion Mitch Marner Part Infinity

Rantanen just signed for 12 million and you want to give Marner 13+? Why?

Forget the cap structure of this team, it’s time we start handing out contracts that make sense and not overpay for a guy that can’t hold his comparable’s jock strap in the playoffs.
It’s crazy they still got the order wrong even after watching Treliving make Matthews and Nylander a priority some would still have you believe that management thinks marner is the second most important when they tried to trade him the sell jobs on this forum sometimes are nuts
 
After Treliving attempted to acquire Mikko Rantanen for Marner, and now that Rantanen has re-signed for 8 years at $12 mil AAV and off the market.

That not only closes the door of Treliving options of letting Marner walk and using that $$ and cap to sign Rantanen instead after a failed trade attempt, but also should set the market for Marner's value based on that contract and then comparison to both playoff & regular season performance of both players.

Unless Marner and Leafs flame-out in this series, its likely gets an offer from the Leafs to re-sign. However I hope BT holds the line and re-signs him only based on a fair market contract again using the most recent Rantanen deal as the guideline.

Any Leaf fan that believes Marner is worth more than Rantanen, is a Marner fan first and Leaf fan second, and not interested in what is best for the Leafs first and foremost in a Salary Cap World.

That would also set a Leafs internal Salary scale as : 1). Matthews @ $13.25 mil & 2). Marner @ $12 mil and #3). Nylander @ $11.5 mil.
You post this same wrong information daily, I think this is what was referred to earlier as being Trump like. What is it you don't get?

Why would you think 'fans' have anything to do with what he's valued at, how the Team views him or what he signs for?
The team will decide all of these things.
 
It’s crazy they still got the order wrong even after watching Treliving making Matthews and Nylander priorities some would still have you believe that management thinks marner is the second most important when they tried to trade him the sell jobs on this forum sometimes are nuts

I don’t care about any of that. We need to stop living in Dumbas’ cap structure and correct course. You get paid in line with what you’ve shown relative to your peers in the league, not just this team. It needs to start with Marner. I don’t care who they prioritized signing.
 
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Even if Marner goes ballistic from a production standpoint in those games, it's still not enough evidence for me to flip the script. I'd consider it more of a one off than the norm, given his history. I wouldn't be sold on committing 8 more years.
So if he comes through and we make it to the third round you're still not sold? To me it's a done deal if we make it to the next round and he's a factor.
 
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So if he comes through and we make it to the third round you're still not sold? To me it's a done deal if we make it to the next round and he's a factor.
If marner has even 1 signature game…… just 1 that door is open again it’s just crazy we’re talkin about resigning someone who’s never had one especially when the series is at its toughest
 
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I don’t care about any of that. We need to stop living in Dumbas’ cap structure and correct course. You get paid in line with what you’ve shown relative to your peers in the league, not just this team. It needs to start with Marner. I don’t care who they prioritized signing.
Where does this place him then, relative to peers league wide?

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Where does this place him then, relative to peers league wide?

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No where cause in the playoffs Hes a non factor…..where it all matters he disappears regular season accolades are great for the regular season but the cup everyone plays for he doesn’t show up you think the leafs should dish out top dollar for that? It’s thinking like that that will lead to us never raising lord Stanley…….it landed hubie in Calgary while he watched his team win a cup
 
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Where does this place him then, relative to peers league wide?

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Is anyone disputing his value in the regular season? He isn’t a 13+ million dollar player when we need him to be. Rantanen is.

If he can’t perform at a similar rate in the post season as he does during 82 games of regular season hockey then no, I don’t want to pay him anywhere near MacKinnon or McDavid give me a break.
 
Rantanen just signed for 12 million and you want to give Marner 13+? Why?

Forget the cap structure of this team, it’s time we start handing out contracts that make sense and not overpay for a guy that can’t hold his comparable’s jock strap in the playoffs.

Ratanen vs Marner Career playoff results. Mikko (same draft class as Marner) has scored +30 more playoff goals and nearly double the points.

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Only a Marner FAN with a straight face would claim Marner is >> Rantanen (when it matters most playoff time) and therefore deserve more $$ than the $12 mil that Mikko just signed starting next season.

Who would even give Marner the same contract based on those stats above, if they viewed them through impartial eyes?
 
Ratanen vs Marner Career playoff results. Mikko (same draft class as Marner) has scored +30 more playoff goals and nearly double the points.

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Only a Marner FAN with a straight face would claim Marner is >> Rantanen (when it matters most playoff time) and therefore deserve more $$ than the $12 mil that Mikko just signed starting next season.

Who would even give Marner the same contract based on those stats above, if they viewed them through impartial eyes?


Even Nylander is pulling away. As of today Nylanders contract looks ok
 
Ratanen vs Marner Career playoff results. Mikko (same draft class as Marner) has scored +30 more playoff goals and nearly double the points.

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Only a Marner FAN with a straight face would claim Marner is >> Rantanen (when it matters most playoff time) and therefore deserve more $$ than the $12 mil that Mikko just signed starting next season.

Who would even give Marner the same contract based on those stats above, if they viewed them through impartial eyes?
Treliving.
 
I have a feeling the Leafs will cave at the 11th hour, and put a huge offer on the table.
Whether Marner signs it or not remains to be seen.
We all know this is happening. This is no longer sports, but entertainment. They are risk adverse and Mitch is a popular player.
 
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Is anyone disputing his value in the regular season? He isn’t a 13+ million dollar player when we need him to be. Rantanen is.

If he can’t perform at a similar rate in the post season as he does during 82 games of regular season hockey then no, I don’t want to pay him anywhere near MacKinnon or McDavid give me a break.
He's going to be signed on his regular and post season value against his peers both internally and externally, like what you're asking for.
What anyone wants won't have anything to do with it nor does it have anything to do with Dubas' past mistakes.
 
Ratanen vs Marner Career playoff results. Mikko (same draft class as Marner) has scored +30 more playoff goals and nearly double the points.

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Only a Marner FAN with a straight face would claim Marner is >> Rantanen (when it matters most playoff time) and therefore deserve more $$ than the $12 mil that Mikko just signed starting next season.

Who would even give Marner the same contract based on those stats above, if they viewed them through impartial eyes?
Every team in the league with cap space.
 
Mikko Rantanen (March 7, 2025 sign date) = 8 Years @ $12.0 mil AAV (beginning 2025-26 season)
&
Leon Draisaitl (Sept 3rd, 2024 sign date) = 8 Years @ $14.0 mil AAV (beginning 2025-26 season)
vs.
Mitch Marner ( Unsigned) = years ??? & amount ??? (beginning 2025-26 season)

Here are the Leading Playoff Point Scorers since Marner entered the league 2016-17 (9 seasons)

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Here are the leading Playoff Goal Scorers last 9 seasons combined,

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How in the wide wide world of sports can ANYBODY believe that Marner >>> $12 mil and similar to Draisiatl @$14 mil (highest paid player in the game)? .

Marner is not even in the same league as those he believes he is a fair comparable contract wise.

How does giving Marner a contract in the Rantanen and Draisatl range make any sense? :help::dunno:
 
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We all know this is happening. This is no longer sports, but entertainment. They are risk adverse and Mitch is a popular player.
Yep - drives a ton of jersey and merchandising too, I'm sure.

A hell of a lot more than, say, a Matt Duchene or a Nik Ehlers should they sign here as free agents instead of a Marner
 
So if he comes through and we make it to the third round you're still not sold? To me it's a done deal if we make it to the next round and he's a factor.
He's never come through. In the event that he does, it would mark the first time in a decade, so yeah to me that's more of an outlier. If Marner wins the Conn Smythe, hand him a blank cheque. The core have all under performed relative to their salaries, Marner isn't the only one. But Leafs really can't afford to commit to another, we've won F all with these guys.
 
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Mikko Rantanen (March 7, 2025 sign date) = 8 Years @ $12.0 mil AAV (beginning 2025-26 season)
&
Leon Draisaitl (Sept 3rd, 2024 sign date) = 8 Years @ $14.0 mil AAV (beginning 2025-26 season)
vs.
Mitch Marner ( Unsigned) = years ??? & amount ??? (beginning 2025-26 season)

Here are the Leading Playoff Point Scorers since Marner entered the league 2016-17 (9 seasons)

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Here are the leading Playoff Goal Scorers last 9 seasons combined,

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How in the wide wide world of sports can ANYBODY believe that Marner >>> $12 mil and similar to Draisiatl @$14 mil (highest paid player in the game)? .

Marner is not even in the same league as those he believes he is a fair comparable contract wise.

How does giving Marner a contract in the Rantanen and Draisatl range make any sense? :help::dunno:
I'm guessing not many things make sense to you anymore.
 
He's going to be signed on his regular and post season value against his peers both internally and externally, like what you're asking for.
What anyone wants won't have anything to do with it nor does it have anything to do with Dubas' past mistakes.

How can you pay him relative to his peers internally while having nothing to do with Dubas' past mistakes. Each pay increase has been relative to that idiot's stupidity. That doesn't make any sense.

Additionally, if his post season value comes into play, he does not deserve more than Rantanen.
 
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We all know this is happening. This is no longer sports, but entertainment. They are risk adverse and Mitch is a popular player.
I can see the Dreger and co. PR campaign now if Marner re-signs. "Hearing Marner took LESS to remain a #Leaf. Sources say there were offers up to 15m-16m per on the open market."
 
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How can you pay him relative to his peers internally while having nothing to do with Dubas' past mistakes. Each pay increase has been relative to that idiot's stupidity. That doesn't make any sense.

Additionally, if his post season value comes into play, he does not deserve more than Rantanen.
Comparables are internal and external.
 

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