Oilers- Ten straight games without a powerplay differential advantage. Closing in on record?

[PuckG]

Agreed on the whining. There are no inconsistencies. Oilers fans are too sensitive when it comes to reffing.

Then no need for you to be in here. Let those that can acknowledge OP’s post and stats have the discussion they want.

 

[alphahelix]

I'm assuming officials review the tapes afterwards. Hill stuck out his skate and then Kane got pushed, so both goalie interference calls (I think Janmark was called roughing) were not appropriate, IMO.

Adin Hill is also not going to get much of a doubt in the future.

Not to mention that the Oilers goalie was taken out of the series by a blatant goalie interference manoeuvre and there was no call on the play. Several golden knights were writhing around in agony that night but they all returned the next game unharmed, while Oilers were down a starter.

 

[alphahelix]

Agreed, there is no conspiracy. That doesn’t mean reffing can’t still suck time to time. As evidenced all playoffs and across the teams.

All this thread is doing is pointing out some of the inconsistencies.

Can you explain why teams like the Refalanche would benefit from best-in-the-league penalty differentials for like a decade through coaching changes, personnel changes, management changes, etc? Nazem Kadri was getting a lot of penalties and suspensions in Toronto but he was clean in Colorado? The VGK have suspiciously advantageous numbers this year, but honestly the playoffs haven’t been as bad as expected. I think the NHL intentionally sidelined a couple of their most biased refs from last years playoffs before this year’s started and it has helped. Still hard to say that there aren’t very strong “patterns” to the way things are being called, though.

 

[Slats432]

Then no need for you to be in here. Let those that can acknowledge OP’s post and stats have the discussion they want.

Yes there is. As an Oilers fan I need to be the voice of reason because there is no bias, no reasonable theory as to how and why the numbers are the numbers.

If you look at the proof I provided earlier, Washington and Edmonton having lowest PP numbers and Toronto and Winnipeg having the most PPs, there is no reasonable argument to be made by anyone that any abject bias exsists. Also the Oilers being lower in PIMs than most other teams. Those are the FACTS.

Unless you guys want to walk around with your tinfoil hats unchecked.

 

[PuckG]

Can you explain why teams like the Refalanche would benefit from best-in-the-league penalty differentials for like a decade through coaching changes, personnel changes, management changes, etc? Nazem Kadri was getting a lot of penalties and suspensions in Toronto but he was clean in Colorado? The VGK have suspiciously advantageous numbers this year, but honestly the playoffs haven’t been as bad as expected. I think the NHL intentionally sidelined a couple of their most biased refs from last years playoffs before this year’s started and it has helped. Still hard to say that there aren’t very strong “patterns” to the way things are being called, though.

Honestly, I have no explanation - but believing in a conspiracy would have me way to jaded to continue watching the league if I felt like my team was going to get shafted either way.

Because of that, I chalk it up to incompetence at times, honest mistakes at others.

 

[PuckG]

Yes there is. As an Oilers fan I need to be the voice of reason because there is no bias, no reasonable theory as to how and why the numbers are the numbers.

If you look at the proof I provided earlier, Washington and Edmonton having lowest PP numbers and Toronto and Winnipeg having the most PPs, there is no reasonable argument to be made by anyone that any abject bias exsists. Also the Oilers being lower in PIMs than most other teams. Those are the FACTS.

Unless you guys want to walk around with your tinfoil hats unchecked.

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OP’s original statement pointed out a discrepancy in power play advantages. Generally speaking, if a team has possession of the puck and tilts the ice for more of the game (like has happened for the Oilers in this series), they are getting infracted on more frequently as opposed to infracting. It is personally reasonable to question and wonder why this has not been the case, especially when the eye test has shown penalties like Kane getting shoved into the goalie, McDavid getting held/hooked as per usual with no calls etc.

This does not mean bias is involved. It could mean incompetence, it could be honest mistakes.

But this is a perfectly reasonable discussion that a select few can’t handle and they decide to retort with “OiLeRS fAnS.”

 

[Ratsreign]

Then no need for you to be in here. Let those that can acknowledge OP’s post and stats have the discussion they want.

Limit the convo to only those that agree with you? Then you don’t have to hear anything you don’t want to.

That’s the ticket!

 

[Cyclones Rock]

Would seem to be a pretty odd stat given the real possession time that McDavid and Draisatl have.

That being said, saying that the league is somehow behind this just seems pretty far-fetched. The damage that we be done to the league if such a conspiracy existed and was uncovered would far exceed any benefit that they may get by "fixing" penalty rates. The basic integrity of the league would be shot. Just doesn't make sense to me.

 

[Summer Rose]

OP’s original statement pointed out a discrepancy in power play advantages. Generally speaking, if a team has possession of the puck and tilts the ice for more of the game (like has happened for the Oilers in this series), they are getting infracted on more frequently as opposed to infracting. It is personally reasonable to question and wonder why this has not been the case, especially when the eye test has shown penalties like Kane getting shoved into the goalie, McDavid getting held/hooked as per usual with no calls etc.

This does not mean bias is involved. It could mean incompetence, it could be honest mistakes.

But this is a perfectly reasonable discussion that a select few can’t handle and they decide to retort with “OiLeRS fAnS.”

I think what it boils down to is correlation as opposed to causation. The former does not imply the latter, but in the case of analyzing officiating in terms of power play differential, it's likely just a bit of both.

To speak more generally, everyone's favorite thing of game management is a factor. While I wouldn't say that any playoff game involving the Oilers has been such a blowout for the following flavor of game management, blowout games are usually managed in the form of being strict against "restraining fouls" (hooking, holding, etc.) by the leading team, loosening up on them against the trailing team, and cracking down hard on the rough stuff. This flavor of game management is done to prevent the game from boiling over with tempers probably flaring in a game that is effectively already decided.

 

[Spawn]

Would seem to be a pretty odd stat given the real possession time that McDavid and Draisatl have.

That being said, saying that the league is somehow behind this just seems pretty far-fetched. The damage that we be done to the league if such a conspiracy existed would far exceed any benefit that they may get by "fixing" penalty rates. Just doesn't make sense to me.

I don’t think it’s a conspiracy. But I do think there might be some unconscious bias where refs are less likely to give a power play to a team that for years has been dominant with a man up, out of concerns of having too much of an impact on the game.

 

[Golden_Jet]

34 consecutive games by the Toronto Maple Leafs.

From game 2 of 2021 playoffs 1st round to game 7 of the 2024 playoffs 1st round. So taking between 5 straight series

Ya that is false.

 

[PuckG]

Limit the convo to only those that agree with you? Then you don’t have to hear anything you don’t want to.

That’s the ticket!

People are debating the inconsistencies (or not) and that’s what the thread is for. A few detractors are resorting to fanbase bashing needlessly.

Your reading comprehension needs work. Try again.

 

[Cyclones Rock]

I don’t think it’s a conspiracy. But I do think there might be some unconscious bias where refs are less likely to give a power play to a team that for years has been dominant with a man up, out of concerns of having too much of an impact on the game.

I hate using that overused word "conspiracy". I apologize for using that term used by weak minds to cast shade on a reasonable possibility

Your explanation could very well make sense. The league has seemed-at least to me-to have a very strong tendency to "even things up".

 

[Armourboy]

I mean the streak itself isn't that surprising, especially when you consider in the LA series they were behind, and in some cases pretty severely at times. That leaves you chasing the games and taking chances that can get you in trouble. Plus we all know they tend to swallow the whistle even more in the 3rd, so if you are already behind its going to be alot harder to see that discrepancy shift.

So you take all of those games out and it gets considerably less conspiratorial looking and much more like one of those odd things that happens sometimes.

There is no doubt there is bias among individual refs, as a Nashville fan we've had more than enough proof of that over the years ( aka Tim Peele ), but I think as an overall NHL bias that gets a bit harder to fathom.

 

[PuckG]

I think what it boils down to is correlation as opposed to causation. The former does not imply the latter, but in the case of analyzing officiating in terms of power play differential, it's likely just a bit of both.

To speak more generally, everyone's favorite thing of game management is a factor. While I wouldn't say that any playoff game involving the Oilers has been such a blowout for the following flavor of game management, blowout games are usually managed in the form of being strict against "restraining fouls" (hooking, holding, etc.) by the leading team, loosening up on them against the trailing team, and cracking down hard on the rough stuff. This flavor of game management is done to prevent the game from boiling over with tempers probably flaring in a game that is effectively already decided.

The bolded is why I referred to the eye test and moments like Kane getting shoved into the goalie (or the McNabb trip for a Vegas example) in conjunction with the generalization of “team controlling play generally gets infracted on more”. When the eye test and stats both align in one direction, I can understand why people feel like it’s more causation, when in reality it’s likely a string of fluke mistakes and/or incompetence.

I agree, game management plays a factor, but blatantly incorrect calls are brutal and fans across the board should be rightfully pissed off at them.

 

[Ratsreign]

People are debating the inconsistencies (or not) and that’s what the thread is for. A few detractors are resorting to fanbase bashing needlessly.

Your reading comprehension needs work. Try again.

The one guy you said that to was an Oilers fan, wasn’t he? He wasn’t fanbase bashing, he was simply saying things you didn’t want to hear.

 

[AM]

Ok, let's be serious here. How can Oilers fans complain about reffing when Corey Perry does not have any PIMs in the post season?

Oilers have the 6th most PIMs of the remaining teams. Jets are 1st with 202. Panthers 126. Oilers have 85. Why are we complaining?

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How do you explain the two gi penalty's we got and the non calls when they ran skinner?

 

[theVladiator]

In terms of the penalty "imbalance" going the "wrong" way for offensively dominant team, I do not see it as strange at all. One would expect the defending team to take more defensive penalties. But how about aggressive/offensive zone penalties? Top penalized players on the Oilers are forwards (Kane, Podkolzin, Janmark, Frederic, Hyman).

From yesterday's game, that's pretty much what I saw. Oilers were super aggressive, and it worked very well for them. They were in Hill's face from the puck drop. Sure, the refs got Janmark's penalty backwards, but that's sometimes the price to pay stirring sh*t up around the crease. Janmark wasn't in the crease by some accident. Kane's penalty I thought was correct (yes, there was a shove, but it was not the cause of Kane's jump into Hill, it was a pretext).

I think the penalties reflect Oilers strategy this playoff. I think they want an emotional, chaotic, fast game. It suits the Oilers much better than a structured positional affair.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

In terms of the penalty "imbalance" going the "wrong" way for offensively dominant team, I do not see it as strange at all. One would expect the defending team to take more defensive penalties. But how about aggressive/offensive zone penalties? Top penalized players on the Oilers are forwards (Kane, Podkolzin, Janmark, Frederic, Hyman).

From yesterday's game, that's pretty much what I saw. Oilers were super aggressive, and it worked very well for them. They were in Hill's face from the puck drop. Sure, the refs got Janmark's penalty backwards, but that's sometimes the price to pay stirring sh*t up around the crease. Janmark wasn't in the crease by some accident. Kane's penalty I thought was correct (yes, there was a shove, but it was not the cause of Kane's jump into Hill, it was a pretext).

I think the penalties reflect Oilers strategy this playoff. I think they want an emotional, chaotic, fast game. It suits the Oilers much better than a structured positional affair.

Yet when Vegas Crosschecks and punches players any chance they get while defending, there’s no penalties.

I call BS on the aggressive offensive zone being the reason they have more penalties

 

[Summer Rose]

In terms of the penalty "imbalance" going the "wrong" way for offensively dominant team, I do not see it as strange at all. One would expect the defending team to take more defensive penalties. But how about aggressive/offensive zone penalties? Top penalized players on the Oilers are forwards (Kane, Podkolzin, Janmark, Frederic, Hyman).

From yesterday's game, that's pretty much what I saw. Oilers were super aggressive, and it worked very well for them. They were in Hill's face from the puck drop. Sure, the refs got Janmark's penalty backwards, but that's sometimes the price to pay stirring sh*t up around the crease. Janmark wasn't in the crease by some accident. Kane's penalty I thought was correct (yes, there was a shove, but it was not the cause of Kane's jump into Hill, it was a pretext).

I think the penalties reflect Oilers strategy this playoff. I think they want an emotional, chaotic, fast game. It suits the Oilers much better than a structured positional affair.

I didn't like it at the time, and I'm not sure I still don't, but when you put it this way, that's a reasonable take. It's an argument to be made that he didn't put forth sufficient effort to avoid it. I didn't agree at the time, but it's water under the bridge from a completed game at this point so any opinion I could make is kind of irrelevant. I appreciate you putting it this way though.

 

[Sol]

Playing LA and Vegas does that to you.

LMFAOOOOO im sure it has nothing to do with Nurse, Perry and Kane being the residents of the sin bin.

 

[McFlash97]

Or, be better than what Kane did in that moment to excessively obliterate the goalie.... he knew what he was doing. It is Kane after all.

Put your glasses on man. You sound uninformed if this is your conclusion about that Evander Kane play. Absolutely clueless. Did you even watch the play ? Heck did you even watch the game ?

 

[Fishy McScales]

LMFAOOOOO im sure it has nothing to do with Nurse, Perry and Kane being the residents of the sin bin.

Perry has 0 penalty minutes.

 

[McFlash97]

Sometimes I really truly believe Leafs fans are the biggest whiners but then the Oilers come in and remind me that they take the crown every time.

Who the hell even keeps track of consecutive games with "negative powerplay differential". What a pointless, nothing stat that has no value and means absolute nothing beyond the fact that the Oilers don't draw enough penalties

We will when we smoke you in the finals. This time it wont be close.

 

[Sol]

Perry has 0 penalty minutes.

Master of stat manipulation as well. Perry can do it all.