Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Part 3758391849

[MSZ]

Not if he follows in the same footsteps of 44 and 91 after they had a kid.

Father time is a real thing, unless you're Alex Ovechkin.

 

[leafs in five]

The pass to set up Harley alone in the slot at 2-1 was pretty fancy, no wonder he didn't score

 

[The Shadow]

For those fans that want Mitch to stay in Toronto the birth of his first child could not have come at a better time

The families of both parents want to be around the baby and involved. It would be very difficult for a new mom to have to pack up everything in a few months and be away from her family. And also if she doesn’t move and Mitch does as a new dad you don’t want to be away from your baby

Timing is really in favour of him staying

 

[ToneDog]

For those fans that want Mitch to stay in Toronto the birth of his first child could not have come at a better time

The families of both parents want to be around the baby and involved. It would be very difficult for a new mom to have to pack up everything in a few months and be away from her family. And also if she doesn’t move and Mitch does as a new dad you don’t want to be away from your baby

Timing is really in favour of him staying

Money talks. They'll move if they want to get paid every last cent. As some have said on the radio, is it worth an extra $500K to move? We'll see how this plays out in a couple of months.

 

[Antropovsky]

The pass to set up Harley alone in the slot at 2-1 was pretty fancy, no wonder he didn't score

Rantanen had 3 goals, 6 5v5 points and 16 5v5 shots in round 1 playing primarily with Grandlund and Hintz.

Marner had 0 goals, 3 5v5 points and 5 5v5 shots in round 1 on a line with Matthews and Knies.

Rantanen now has 39 goals and 113 points in 88 playoff games on two different teams.

Marner now has 12 goals 58 points in 63 games.

Marner fans still trying to argue that Marner is the better player. Lol

Marner fans have been telling me for 5 years that Marner is easily the better player... right @Dekes For Days ?

 

[Mike4Leafs4ever]

That's awesome. Hopefully he gets his sleep lol, first few days are a gong show.

Hopefully the grandparents and or a hired Nanny are there to help his his wife and let Mitch sleep (if he can). Both Tavares and Morgs played poorly after their first - lets hope they give advice to Mitch on how to avoid this.

 

[HarryLime]

Rantanen had 3 goals, 6 5v5 points and 16 5v5 shots playing primarily with Grandlund and Hintz.

Marner had 0 goals, 3 5v5 points and 5 5v5 shots in round 1 on a line with Matthews and Knies.

Rantanen now has 39 goals and 113 points in 88 playoff games on two different teams.

Marner now has 12 goals 58 points in 63 games.

Marner fans still trying to argue that Marner is the better player. Lol

They are absoltely crazy. Marner has never taken over in the playoffs like Mikko. We'd be lucky to see him score 2 goals in a playoff series let alone a decicive game 7.

 

[leafs in five]

Rantanen had 3 goals, 6 5v5 points and 16 5v5 shots in round 1 playing primarily with Grandlund and Hintz.

Marner had 0 goals, 3 5v5 points and 5 5v5 shots in round 1 on a line with Matthews and Knies.

Rantanen now has 39 goals and 113 points in 88 playoff games on two different teams.

Marner now has 12 goals 58 points in 63 games.

Marner fans still trying to argue that Marner is the better player. Lol

Marner fans have been telling me for 5 years that Marner is easily the better player... right @Dekes For Days ?

I am not arguing anything but that it was clearly smart operating by Colorado to trade a star who was asking for too much money in exchange for some much needed depth and cap flexibility

 

[HarryLime]

I am not arguing anything but that it was clearly smart operating by Colorado to trade a star who was asking for too much money in exchange for some much needed depth and cap flexibility

I agree with you. I watch a lot of Avs games with my brother, and Necas was awesome for them from the day they got him.

Rantanen went into God mode towards the end of that series.

Colorado outplayed Dallas, but at the same time, Dallas didn't have Miro or Robertson so they def deserved to win it.

Colorado got back a stud IMO

 

[Antropovsky]

They are absoltely crazy. Marner has never taken over in the playoffs like Mikko. We'd be lucky to see him score 2 goals in a playoff series let alone a decicive game 7.

100%

Rantanen had 3 goals, 1 assist and a breakaway he didn't capitalize on. He had 4 shots on goal.

Game 6 vs Sens, Marner had 1 pp assist, 0 breakaways and 1 shot in game 6.

 

[Antropovsky]

I am not arguing anything but that it was clearly smart operating by Colorado to trade a star who was asking for too much money in exchange for some much needed depth and cap flexibility

A star who is also 6'4, who has 39 goals and 118 points in 88 postseason games.

Marner is 511 and has 13 goals, 58 point in 63 postseason games.

Are you not seeing a big difference here?

Florida, traded soft pass first star season performer forward Huberdeau and how did that turn out?

 

[ToneDog]

I agree with you. I watch a lot of Avs games with my brother, and Necas was awesome for them from the day they got him.

Rantanen went into God mode towards the end of that series.

Colorado outplayed Dallas, but at the same time, Dallas didn't have Miro or Robertson so they def deserved to win it.

Colorado got back a stud IMO

Avs may have lost this year and it likely cost them a cup, but they were never signing Rantanen for what he was worth so they would have lost him for nothing. They got good value for their stud while we let our Selke wannabe likely walk for nothing. Sakic > Shanahan.

 

[HarryLime]

100%

Rantanen had 3 goals, 1 assist and a breakaway he didn't capitalize on. He had 4 shots on goal.

Game 6 vs Sens, Marner had 1 pp assist, 0 breakaways and 1 shot in game 6.

Rants also setup Duchene and Harley in the 3rd period IIRC on excellent chances.

Stats win us this arguement but the eye test makes it even worse lol. Mikko literally can do it all, he can skate, shoot, glide around and through defenses and he is strong as hell. He isn't limited like marner.

marner literally has one of the worst shots of any player in the top 50 scoring list. when he has the puck he is either trying to set someone up, or he is launching muffins at the net. Mitch's best traits to me are his quick decisions, and his penalty killing, which are elite. I don't think it's even remotely close between him and Mikko. If a marner fan legit thinks hes a better player than its pure homerism.

 

[ToneDog]

100%

Rantanen had 3 goals, 1 assist and a breakaway he didn't capitalize on. He had 4 shots on goal.

Game 6 vs Sens, Marner had 1 pp assist, 0 breakaways and 1 shot in game 6.

Going from Ottawa and Ullmark to Florida and Bobrovsky. Does anybody seriously think Marner will perform better in round #2 after witnessing what we have all these years? The same can be said for the rest of the core. This is the matchup I've waited for. Time for the men to separate themselves from the boys.

 

[Gabriel426]

Anyone who think Marner is a better playoff performer than Rantanen ain’t thinking straight. Love Marner but it’s not even close.

I said it in this thread and the around the league thread since the Rantanen stuff happened. Colorado is dumb for getting rid of Rantanen. This series almost guarantees the leafs will do everything they can to sign Marner. You can get all the depth you want, it will never beat star power. Now, Marner has to prove that he can really elevate in the playoffs. But I think the Colorado experiment goes to show that star talent rules in the NHL and over relying on depth talent will not lead to wins. Devil you know is better than the ones you don’t.

Like I said earlier, if Panthers spank the Leafs like two years ago, what’s the point of bringing the band back for another go? It will clearly show that the current guys just can’t do it.

 

[Metroid]

Marner vs the world!

 

[ToneDog]

Rants also setup Duchene and Harley in the 3rd period IIRC on excellent chances.

Stats win us this arguement but the eye test makes it even worse lol. Mikko literally can do it all, he can skate, shoot, glide around and through defenses and he is strong as hell. He isn't limited like marner.

marner literally has one of the worst shots of any player in the top 50 scoring list. when he has the puck he is either trying to set someone up, or he is launching muffins at the net. Mitch's best traits to me are his quick decisions, and his penalty killing, which are elite. I don't think it's even remotely close between him and Mikko. If a marner fan legit thinks hes a better player than its pure homerism.

My issue with 16 is that he is not a player I want to blow my salary structure on. FFS Sakic refused to do it for Rantanan and we have fans on this board having no issue with Leafs signing Marner for more than Matthews. Absolute stupidity and something I can see this loser franchise doing. 1967 FFS.

 

[francis246]

Hopefully the grandparents and or a hired Nanny are there to help his his wife and let Mitch sleep (if he can). Both Tavares and Morgs played poorly after their first - lets hope they give advice to Mitch on how to avoid this.

I’m sure they have a plan in place to ensure Mitch is focused on hockey but present as a dad. Benoit also had a bad stretch of hockey after his first earlier this year too or last year I forget. Thankfully leafs start at home to begin the series so it’ll be easier to manage.

 

[HarryLime]

Avs may have lost this year and it likely cost them a cup, but they were never signing Rantanen for what he was worth so they would have lost him for nothing. They got good value for their stud while we let our Selke wannabe likely walk for nothing. Sakic > Shanahan.

My issue with 16 is that he is not a player I want to blow my salary structure on. FFS Sakic refused to do it for Rantanan and we have fans on this board having no issue with Leafs signing Marner for more than Matthews. Absolute stupidity and something I can see this loser franchise doing. 1967 FFS.

If marner consistently delivered in the playoffs I wouldn't have a problem paying him but he never does. 7 goals in his last 43 playoff games is diabolical.

 

[Confucius]

Absolutely not.

500K can be the difference between having enough cap space to sign a big ticket free agent or settling down for a discount bin scrub.

Not to mention it just further continues, well you paid this guy x amount so I’m at least 1 million better, and on and on

 

[francis246]

My issue with 16 is that he is not a player I want to blow my salary structure on. FFS Sakic refused to do it for Rantanan and we have fans on this board having no issue with Leafs signing Marner for more than Matthews. Absolute stupidity and something I can see this loser franchise doing. 1967 FFS.

If you dig deeper it seems like the Rantanen stuff had more to do with the org was done with him as a person and how he carried himself in the negotiations. The last negotiation apparently went really badly with Rantanen and Colorado and Colorado wasn’t prepared to go through that again. Both McFarland and Sakic were AGM and GM respectfully during that negotiation. Not because of his skill vs salary. The leafs don’t seem/appear to feel that way about Marner. The fans do though.


Also Marner isn’t getting more than Matthews. I don’t know what more has to be said about that. Blowing a load and worrying about that seems to be unnecessary given the realism of that actually happening is 0%

 

[ToneDog]

I’m sure they have a plan in place to ensure Mitch is focused on hockey but present as a dad. Benoit also had a bad stretch of hockey after his first earlier this year too or last year I forget. Thankfully leafs start at home to begin the series so it’ll be easier to manage.

I would suggest Red Bull. I hear it gives you wings. Maybe he can parlay it into an endorsement deal.

 

[francis246]

I would suggest Red Bull. I hear it gives you wings. Maybe he can parlay it into an endorsement deal.

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Shittt he might need more than a redbull those first couple weeks

 

[Antropovsky]

Like I said earlier, if Panthers spank the Leafs like two years ago, what’s the point of bringing the band back for another go? It will clearly show that the current guys just can’t do it.

Panthers have Barkov, Tkatchuk, Jones, Reinhart, Verhaeghe signed long term and to sweet heart deals. Just need Bennett now.

Leafs have to sign Knies, Marner, and Tavares and Tanev, OEL aren't getting any younger.

If Leafs get spanked again, the Panthers are likely only to get even better.

Leafs problem is Marner and Matthews not living up to 11 and 13 million dollar contracts. Specifically, we can look at Marner being way way behind the others in production in games 5-7 and also the eye test also indicates he hasn't lived up to his contract.

But...hey Marner is just being picked on by us. We invented his pathetic production relative to the rest of the core 4 late in series.

What are those updated stats now?

 

[ToneDog]

Panthers have Barkov, Tkatchuk, Jones, Reinhart, Verhaeghe signed long term and too sweet heart deals. Just need Bennett now.

Leafs have to sign Knies, Marner, and Tavares and Tanev, OEL aren't getting any younger.

If Leafs get spanked again, the Panthers are likely only to get even better.

Our window is 3, maybe 4 more years. Panthers should be able to outlast it. Hell, I can see Ottawa and Montreal creeping up on the Leafs in the next couple of years with the right moves.