Player Discussion Mitch Marner - On Hiatus

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probably shot a half million pucks from the age of 4 to today. Shooting 10 thousand more over a summer at age 27 isn’t going to do squat, other than maintaining what you have.

So the great improvements that McDavid has made on his shot since coming into the league is just some grand optical illusion? Precisely like Marner, he has shot "half a million pucks" from age 4 to today, so what did shooting more on the offseasons do for him?

The hockey knowledge on display from you lately just hasn't been very impressive, no offense.

 

[notbias]

So the great improvements that McDavid has made on his shot since coming into the league is just some grand optical illusion? Precisely like Marner, he has shot "half a million pucks" from age 4 to today, so what did shooting more on the offseasons do for him?

The hockey knowledge on display from you lately just hasn't been very impressive, no offense.

Must not have shot those pucks last summer... his scoring dropped a ton

 

[IPS]

Must not have shot those pucks last summer... his scoring dropped a ton

This logic is just so intellectually inferior I don't even know how to respond to it. What are you arguing with this statement, that McDavid didn't make great improvements on his shooting?

 

[Arzak]

I'm afraid to get in on this but we know he isn't a shooter. Can you show that same metric for the regular season when we know he is more effective.
I feel like you could actually be representing his drop off if that stat comparison shows it.
Also, that is career playoff right?
Also also, not sure about your conclusion that he is therefore more dangerous than only Dewar but I'm curious if its a good indication that he's definitively less effective come playoff time.

He showed you scoring chances too. We know he isn't a shooter? I thought it makes you hater to say that

He is not producing chances and even his fans know he can't shoot. What are talking about here?

Edit: No shooter, second assist collector (from far far away )

 

[Aashir]

I don’t agree with Marner’s actual shot being the problem, it’s his usage of it

You don’t score 30+ goals and pace for it over the past 4 regular seasons with a crap shot. Is it as good as Matthews or even nylanders? NO but that doesn’t mean it’s crap

Marner stops shooting from the slot in the playoffs, I’m too lazy to go looking to the stats like some do, but just from pure memory I remember he was in the slot and tried passing it to jarnkrok who couldn’t even get a shot off. Marner had 12 shots this series, 2-3 were off Pk dump ins from behind the blue line, another 2-3 probably his patented crap blue line shot, so he only took 6-8 actual shots in the series. Nylander had 18 shots in 4 games for comparison. He needs to SHOOOOT, he can beat goalies, but he continues to pass it off to others when he should be shooting

 

[ACC1224]

I don’t agree with Marner’s actual shot being the problem, it’s his usage of it

You don’t score 30+ goals and pace for it over the past 4 regular seasons with a crap shot. Is it as good as Matthews or even nylanders? NO but that doesn’t mean it’s crap

Marner stops shooting from the slot in the playoffs, I’m too lazy to go looking to the stats like some do, but just from pure memory I remember he was in the slot and tried passing it to jarnkrok who couldn’t even get a shot off. Marner had 12 shots this series, 2-3 were off Pk dump ins from behind the blue line, another 2-3 probably his patented crap blue line shot, so he only took 6-8 actual shots in the series. Nylander had 18 shots in 4 games for comparison. He needs to SHOOOOT, he can beat goalies, but he continues to pass it off to others when he should be shooting

Good post. He's always been a pass first player and it has started to hinder his game.
It's rare to read a criticism of the player(which is fine) without all the added stupidity thrown in.

 

[Antropovsky]

I'm afraid to get in on this but we know he isn't a shooter. Can you show that same metric for the regular season when we know he is more effective.
I feel like you could actually be representing his drop off if that stat comparison shows it.
Also, that is career playoff right?
Also also, not sure about your conclusion that he is therefore more dangerous than only Dewar but I'm curious if its a good indication that he's definitively less effective come playoff time.

Pretty sure Domi is as much of a shooter as Marner, didnt stop him from ranking highly in shots/60 and ihdc.

 

[Antropovsky]

posts in Mitch Marner thread/day (yearly total/365):
Antropovsky: 26.75

Jeez my stats really piss off the Marner fans...obviously Im doing something right because instead of refuting my posts with stats and research they attack me.

Me: look at these Marner NHL edge stats!
Marner fans: lol... do you even lift? My body is amazing.

Me: look at the Marner advanced stats from Natural Stat Trick
Marner fans: lol... Antropovsky posts/day in Marner thread.

Me: look at these line stats from Stat Muse
Marner fans: Lol.. do you even play hockey? I used to play at a high level.

 

[rojac]

Yes, as I mentioned he had some talks with the Leafs ( that is what I am saying) I was asking about a statement he put out? Saying he turned down a contract from the Leafs. Which of course there isn't one.

I think you're right that there may have been no formal contract offer from the Leafs, but I'm not sure how many of those there actually are on July 1. My guess is that it's largely an informal process where they sort of bounce numbers back and forth and the only thing that actually gets signed is an agreement to sign a contract. To me, and I could be wrong, it sounds like they did talk some numbers and at leat had an idea what the Leafs could do.

From the article on TSN.ca:

“There were conversations [with the Maple Leafs],” admitted Montour. “When I looked at the roster and myself, I thought I could definitely help and it was intriguing. But there’s a lot that goes into [free agency] with my family and what they need as well as business decisions.

“There were definitely talks and we thought about it, but there were tons of options for us and we’re obviously grateful for Seattle and that experience.”

 

[BraveCanadian]

Good post. He's always been a pass first player and it has started to hinder his game.
It's rare to read a criticism of the player(which is fine) without all the added stupidity thrown in.

Yeah, Marner just needs to shoot the puck. Nothing wrong with his shot he just doesn't shoot enough to keep defenses and goalies honest.

 

[ToneDog]

Jeez my stats really piss off the Marner fans...obviously Im doing something right because instead of refuting my posts with stats and research they attack me.

Me: look at these Marner NHL edge stats!
Marner fans: lol... do you even lift? My body is amazing.

Me: look at the Marner advanced stats from Natural Stat Trick
Marner fans: lol... Antropovsky posts/day in Marner thread.

Me: look at these line stats from Stat Muse
Marner fans: Lol.. do you even play hockey? I used to play at a high level.

Yeah, this one is ridiculous. Some fans laugh at opinions from players like Carlo Co, Versteeg, Lawton, and O'Dog and some won't take you seriously if you have not played the game. I guess, whatever fits your narrative. LOL.

 

[thewave]

Here are some fantastic playoff stats:

5v5 shots on g/60:
#1) Nylander 14.75
#2) Matthews 13.15
#4) Domi 10.22
#8) Tavares 6.67
#13 (of 19) Marner 4.81

Individual high danger scoring chances:

1) Domi: 5.41
2) Nylander: 5.2
3) Matthews: 4.11
4) Bertuzzi: 4.0
4) Knies: 3.81
5) Robertson: 3.65
7) Reeves: 3.05
8) Tavares: 3 0
9) Holmberg: 2.64
10) Jarnkrok: 1.71
11) Kampf: 1.54
12) Marner: 1.2
13) Dewar: 0.99

... yup, 11 million Marner less dangerous than Kampf and barely more dangerous than Dewar. Not bad pay for a 4th liner impact. @Hellcat looks like Marner is comparable to Matthews and Nylander.

How can someone ask for 11m+ with stats like that. I knew it was bad but wow. Thats awful

 

[ACC1224]

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[francis246]

I don’t agree with Marner’s actual shot being the problem, it’s his usage of it

You don’t score 30+ goals and pace for it over the past 4 regular seasons with a crap shot. Is it as good as Matthews or even nylanders? NO but that doesn’t mean it’s crap

Marner stops shooting from the slot in the playoffs, I’m too lazy to go looking to the stats like some do, but just from pure memory I remember he was in the slot and tried passing it to jarnkrok who couldn’t even get a shot off. Marner had 12 shots this series, 2-3 were off Pk dump ins from behind the blue line, another 2-3 probably his patented crap blue line shot, so he only took 6-8 actual shots in the series. Nylander had 18 shots in 4 games for comparison. He needs to SHOOOOT, he can beat goalies, but he continues to pass it off to others when he should be shooting

He also passed up a grade A chance in the slot to pass to Edmunson!! That was crazy, he could have just drove the net there and probably scored

 

[francis246]

Marner 3C, PP2.

I do agree I would like to see him on PP2. With Knies, Rielly and whoever else you wanna throw on PP2. If there’s any change I’m behind it’s creating two even PP’s

 

[notbias]

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This is false, clearly, this is someone who has no knowledge of the player.

Posters here say he doesn't compete hard, and they know best, they watch the game on TV.

 

[ULF_55]

If it is all his fault he should resign.

Most character people who cause failure do the honourable thing and resign.

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Now if you own the company just spend more.

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I'm feeling comfortable with my "no and will be re-signed" vote.

 

[Mess]

Here are some fantastic playoff stats:

5v5 shots on g/60:
#1) Nylander 14.75
#2) Matthews 13.15
#4) Domi 10.22
#8) Tavares 6.67
#13 (of 19) Marner 4.81

Individual high danger scoring chances:

1) Domi: 5.41
2) Nylander: 5.2
3) Matthews: 4.11
4) Bertuzzi: 4.0
4) Knies: 3.81
5) Robertson: 3.65
7) Reeves: 3.05
8) Tavares: 3 0
9) Holmberg: 2.64
10) Jarnkrok: 1.71
11) Kampf: 1.54
12) Marner: 1.2
13) Dewar: 0.99

... yup, 11 million Marner less dangerous than Kampf and barely more dangerous than Dewar. Not bad pay for a 4th liner impact. @Hellcat looks like Marner is comparable to Matthews and Nylander.

I've said it before and I'll say it again ....

If the Leafs used Marner during the regular season to play run and gun last goal wins to secure a playoff spot, and then put him in the pressbox for the playoffs, and use players willing to play in traffic and finish hits and play dump and chase to win physical puck battles they would be better off and what would they have to lose?

Marner's 1 goal and 2 assists in 7 games?

Marner needs a warning lable .. ** Regular Season Use Only *** Use at your own risk come playoff time.

 

[Racer88]

I don’t agree with Marner’s actual shot being the problem, it’s his usage of it

You don’t score 30+ goals and pace for it over the past 4 regular seasons with a crap shot. Is it as good as Matthews or even nylanders? NO but that doesn’t mean it’s crap

Marner stops shooting from the slot in the playoffs, I’m too lazy to go looking to the stats like some do, but just from pure memory I remember he was in the slot and tried passing it to jarnkrok who couldn’t even get a shot off. Marner had 12 shots this series, 2-3 were off Pk dump ins from behind the blue line, another 2-3 probably his patented crap blue line shot, so he only took 6-8 actual shots in the series. Nylander had 18 shots in 4 games for comparison. He needs to SHOOOOT, he can beat goalies, but he continues to pass it off to others when he should be shooting

That sounds a lot like poor decision making or just poor situational awareness or as some would call it poor hockey IQ

 

[DarkKnight]

I paid 6.99 for asparagus, I was told to come here to complain...

 

[57 Years No Cup]

Here are some fantastic playoff stats:

5v5 shots on g/60:
#1) Nylander 14.75
#2) Matthews 13.15
#4) Domi 10.22
#8) Tavares 6.67
#13 (of 19) Marner 4.81

Individual high danger scoring chances:

1) Domi: 5.41
2) Nylander: 5.2
3) Matthews: 4.11
4) Bertuzzi: 4.0
4) Knies: 3.81
5) Robertson: 3.65
7) Reeves: 3.05
8) Tavares: 3 0
9) Holmberg: 2.64
10) Jarnkrok: 1.71
11) Kampf: 1.54
12) Marner: 1.2
13) Dewar: 0.99

... yup, 11 million Marner less dangerous than Kampf and barely more dangerous than Dewar. Not bad pay for a 4th liner impact. @Hellcat looks like Marner is comparable to Matthews and Nylander.

And Connor McDavid...

 

[LeafGrief]

I paid 6.99 for asparagus, I was told to come here to complain...

Well I'm here to complain about the people who want to complain about 6.99 for asparagus. Jeez you people, how do you even have time to complain about asparagus when the rent is so high? Unbelievable that you get yourself all bent out of shape about some dubas vegetable when you should be mad at the LANDLORDS. Some of us have our eyes on the real problems.

 

[GoonieFace]

I paid 6.99 for asparagus, I was told to come here to complain...

The only complaint can be how your pee smells after you eat it

 

[Stephen]

I don’t agree with Marner’s actual shot being the problem, it’s his usage of it

You don’t score 30+ goals and pace for it over the past 4 regular seasons with a crap shot. Is it as good as Matthews or even nylanders? NO but that doesn’t mean it’s crap

Marner stops shooting from the slot in the playoffs, I’m too lazy to go looking to the stats like some do, but just from pure memory I remember he was in the slot and tried passing it to jarnkrok who couldn’t even get a shot off. Marner had 12 shots this series, 2-3 were off Pk dump ins from behind the blue line, another 2-3 probably his patented crap blue line shot, so he only took 6-8 actual shots in the series. Nylander had 18 shots in 4 games for comparison. He needs to SHOOOOT, he can beat goalies, but he continues to pass it off to others when he should be shooting

It’s hard to shoot from the slot when you cling to the perimeter of the ice like you’re at your first swimming lesson holding on for dear life. So it all goes back to playing with fear.

For a guy who chose a contact sport as his profession he really does play with a lot of self preservation instincts.

 

[Fogelhund]

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