Toggle sidebar

Mitch Marner Offseason Continued

  • We're expecting server maintenance on March 3rd starting at midnight, there may be downtime during the work.
  • Xenforo Cloud has upgraded us to version 2.3.6. Please report any issues you experience.
Status
Not open for further replies.
If anything you have to look at how he is used from the perspective of taking an alpha player and relegating him to a supporting role under another alpha , it's not a recipe for success . The Boston series with JVR and Bozak he was carrying his line all year , even when he played 4th line with Martin he was the alpha on the line blocking shots , playing all situations hell he even threw a couple of hits that series , not big hits but hits . Then he gets JT as his center and he's not the alpha , he's a cub trying to find his way and now he's with Mathews so other teams know if you shut that line down you got a better than 50/50 shot at beating us .Give the kid a couple of big , tough but fast linemates and let him run his own line again .
 
To be honest, if you look at Stanley cup winning teams, the best winger on them isn’t a playmaking winger who doesn’t score a lot, it’s typically a guy who shoots a ton and scores a ton ie. Ovechkin, kessel, kucherov, tarasenko, Kane, Guantzel, Gaborik on LA second cup. I can only think of one star winger who was a pass first that’s won the cup and that was M.Stlouis and that wasn’t even in the cap era.
 
  • Like
Reactions: usernamezrhardtodo
HamiltonNHL said:
And Kessel can shoot.

Marner has a ECHL shot
Click to expand...
To be fair Phil Kessel was possibly a generational talent... he just wasn't fit and probably took a few nights off. In terms of skill he had a leg up on Marner in most areas.

if Kessel had Crosbys work ethic... would've been cool to watch.
 
Stephen said:
On the other hand, shouldn't one be concerned that since playing that 2018 series with average linemates that Marner has been upgraded to playing with an $11 million center in 2019, 2020 and 2021 and done much worse?
Click to expand...
Maybe but I raised it to refute the silly statement he didnt have the strength to play in the playoffs. Around here people throws every bit of shit on the wall hoping ot sticks like truth.
 
ER89 said:
Next time try saying you have 10m dollars in the bank account and see if saying wrong shit again and again makes it true. (Hint: it doesn't).
Click to expand...
No clue what you are babbling about. Either address something I've said when you message me or dont message me.
 
I should do things but people are wrong on the internet and i got to let them know.

So here it goes.
Marner is great. He will get most points next playoff. If he makes no points or low ppg. He will be traded. But this time aint it.

Matthews sucked to. Bad pp1 is on Keefe and the pp dude. Sure win if it had worked. Use of players is on Keefe.

Keefe need to learn to adapt fast, to changes in game. How to use players that show up vs those who dont to get those who dont going. He sucked this playoff.
 
Notsince67 said:
No clue what you are babbling about. Either address something I've said when you message me or dont message me.
Click to expand...
The fact that you don't understand tells me you're not worth speaking with. You make up made up facts and then live in that world. At no point did marner face top competition and succeeded. End of f***ing story.
 
  • Like
Reactions: usernamezrhardtodo
ZEBROA said:
I should do things but people are wrong on the internet and i got to let them know.

So here it goes.
Marner is great. He will get most points next playoff. If he makes no points or low ppg. He will be traded. But this time aint it.

Matthews sucked to. Bad pp1 is on Keefe and the pp dude. Sure win if it had worked. Use of players is on Keefe.

Keefe need to learn to adapt fast, to changes in game. How to use players that show up vs those who dont to get those who dont going. He sucked this playoff.
Click to expand...
Keefe made the same mistake twice in 2 playoffs. Last year, he should never have stacked Tavares with Marner & Matthews. If anything, you swap Marner with Nylander and find a better balance. This year, Tavares was hurt and he decided to keep the 2 lines unbalanced. Marner should have moved down and Nylander up. It's great to have your top 2 forwards on the same line but while skill is synergistic, creativity isnt. You need a team to fear what can happen on at least 2 lines. Even Hyman should have played on the vaunted shut down line but why have a shutdown line when keefe hates to line match.
 
  • Like
Reactions: ZEBROA
Unfortunately, the 2 top guys were toast by game 5. If you want to advance, you have to be playing 4 lines on a pretty regular basis. Not having the depth to be able to do this is on the GM. Overplaying your top players all game is on the coach. Uncle Leo was being spotted all over the place for NYI, 1st, 2nd lines, Komarov for goodness sake. His type of player is despised by Dubas but loved by me. He is just another of the moving parts that are needed and are interchangeable. For NYI, there was not that much of a difference between lines 1 and 4. All played the same style and had no problem filling in when their captain went down like ours did. Our inability to do that is on both GM & Coach. This year's disaster was really a team effort. Too much pressure was put on our highly paid kids who, truth be told, just aren't that good come crunch time. That one is on the GM.
 
killer1980 said:
Unfortunately, the 2 top guys were toast by game 5. If you want to advance, you have to be playing 4 lines on a pretty regular basis. Not having the depth to be able to do this is on the GM. Overplaying your top players all game is on the coach. Uncle Leo was being spotted all over the place for NYI, 1st, 2nd lines, Komarov for goodness sake. His type of player is despised by Dubas but loved by me. He is just another of the moving parts that are needed and are interchangeable. For NYI, there was not that much of a difference between lines 1 and 4. All played the same style and had no problem filling in when their captain went down like ours did. Our inability to do that is on both GM & Coach. This year's disaster was really a team effort. Too much pressure was put on our highly paid kids who, truth be told, just aren't that good come crunch time. That one is on the GM.
Click to expand...
Yeah I gotta say they can play 24 minutes regualar season but minutes are more tiring in playoffs and 27 minutes by Marner is just gonna wear him down.
 
He looked bad all year.

He's not a reliable performer.

He's a max 7.5 AAV player.

10+ for a soft unreliable winger ?

Dubas must go.
 
  • Like
Reactions: ER89
His highly publicized contract negotiations and ultimate deal left the fans with certain expectations. I believe these expectations were realized during the regular season, if you can accept a winger being a playmaker rather than scorer. It seems strange to me that, given the fact Leaf fans have been crying out for a team that would advance, at least 1 round in the playoffs, management would assemble a flashy team that could excel during the season but disappear during the playoffs. If management thought and still thinks that this is a core group of playoff winners then they have to go. We can all enjoy a great regular season with hopes for post season success only to be disappointed again.
 
killer1980 said:
Unfortunately, the 2 top guys were toast by game 5. If you want to advance, you have to be playing 4 lines on a pretty regular basis. Not having the depth to be able to do this is on the GM. Overplaying your top players all game is on the coach. Uncle Leo was being spotted all over the place for NYI, 1st, 2nd lines, Komarov for goodness sake. His type of player is despised by Dubas but loved by me. He is just another of the moving parts that are needed and are interchangeable. For NYI, there was not that much of a difference between lines 1 and 4. All played the same style and had no problem filling in when their captain went down like ours did. Our inability to do that is on both GM & Coach. This year's disaster was really a team effort. Too much pressure was put on our highly paid kids who, truth be told, just aren't that good come crunch time. That one is on the GM.
Click to expand...

Dubas gave the team depth. Was it used properly? Maybe not. The depth was there though. There is no reason the Leafs had to use Matthews and Marner as often as they did, and Marner was off from the first game. Matthews was doing extremely well the first 4 games and I guess in the 5th game, it was tough dragging Marner's carcass at that point.

As for the Islanders, they had the cap space and the time to replace Lee. They were able to pick up Palmieri and Zajac with his cap space and had months to put a lineup without him together. The Leafs had one day to figure out how to replace a much better player and had none of the cap benefits. If he went down before the TDL, the Leafs likely pick up Hall or Palmieri instead of Foligno.
 
  • Like
Reactions: usernamezrhardtodo and Superstar
SeaOfBlue said:
Dubas gave the team depth. Was it used properly? Maybe not. The depth was there though. There is no reason the Leafs had to use Matthews and Marner as often as they did, and Marner was off from the first game. Matthews was doing extremely well the first 4 games and I guess in the 5th game, it was tough dragging Marner's carcass at that point.

As for the Islanders, they had the cap space and the time to replace Lee. They were able to pick up Palmieri and Zajac with his cap space and had months to put a lineup without him together. The Leafs had one day to figure out how to replace a much better player and had none of the cap benefits. If he went down before the TDL, the Leafs likely pick up Hall or Palmieri instead of Foligno.
Click to expand...

Losing Tavares hurt big time...the Leafs were essentially playing a $71 million roster after JT went down.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Latest posts

Ad

Upcoming events

Ad

Top Bottom