Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Continued

[ToneDog]

Marner with an "A" is another stain on this organization's ability to assess character.

As associate captain you'd think he'd have a more TEAM mindset. Not "I'm perfect and everyone else are the ones making mistakes". Marner has single handedly lost games but never a peep about how he needs to play better.

He's an associate captain but doesn't accept responsibility for the team's losses like a real leader would.

As a leader you shouldn't be deflecting blame on others while absolving yourself. Scapegoating is a sign of poor leadership. If you have a letter on your jersey an attitude like that is inexcusable.

His lack of being an example my kids should follow is pathetic.

He just comes across as a stereotypical rich kid. All he sees in the mirror is how good he looks. Comoletely incapable of accepting any responsibilty.

Counting his stacks wondering how to get out of Fort Knox with his reputation intact.

He's none alone. The leaders of this team do not have the character of a SC winner. They are selfish, me first players which makes them the most unlikable Leafs core for me. Very sad after seeing this team take the heavily favoured Caps to 6 games.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

He's none alone. The leaders of this team do not have the character of a SC winner. They are selfish, me first players which makes them the most unlikable Leafs core for me. Very sad after seeing this team take the heavily favoured Caps to 6 games.

So hard to believe that at one point I actually thought this team would win a cup.

 

[Dekes For Days]

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Yes, Berube was able to barely fluke out a win 6 years ago with a very different team, in the year that he had the least influence on them and faced opponents decimated to injury and poor goaltending. But I'm not sure what you think that has to do with my post.

For the record, even including that year, he has a losing record in the playoffs. Since that year, he's 8-16. That's one of the worst in the league. Worse than Keefe over that time.

So according to your own criteria, you should hate him.

 

[Racer88]

So hard to believe that at one point I actually thought this team would win a cup.

I too bought into the Shanaplan only to watch it turn to dust

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

I too bought into the Shanaplan only to watch it turn to dust

I don't think anybody expected them to turn into the softest, greediest, whinyest, most entitled, win nothing loser core four players in the entire league.

 

[Racer88]

I don't think anybody expected them to turn into the softest, greediest, whiniest, most entitled, win nothing loser core four players in the entire league.

I certainly didn’t but here we are

 

[kevsh]

Marner with an "A" is another stain on this organization's ability to assess character.

I truly cringed when they named him an alternate "A" along with Matthews.

I mean, what bigger sign is it that a team is infant-level coddling its players than the inability to just give one of the "A"'s to Auston or Mitch and not both (I'm pretty sure Reilly was the other Assistant when Tavares was named as Captain.) And the idea one would wear it on the road and the other at home ... my God man, just embarrassing on so many levels.

It reeked of Shanny/Dubas not wanting to hurt poor, little Mitchy's feelings if he didn't get to be assistant along with his buddy. I'm just not sure if the decision was born out of spinelessness on behalf of the GM and President (and MLSE in general) or they were just being consistent with MLSE's corporate policy of treating their stars like royalty (aka spoiled brats)?

 

[Dekes For Days]

I truly cringed when they named him an alternate "A" along with Matthews.

I mean, what bigger sign is it that a team is infant-level coddling its players than the inability to just give one of the "A"'s to Auston or Mitch and not both (I'm pretty sure Reilly was the other Assistant when Tavares was named as Captain.) And the idea one would wear it on the road and the other at home ... my God man, just embarrassing on so many levels.

It reeked of Shanny/Dubas not wanting to hurt poor, little Mitchy's feelings if he didn't get to be assistant along with his buddy. I'm just not sure if the decision was born out of spinelessness on behalf of the GM and President (and MLSE in general) or they were just being consistent with MLSE's corporate policy of treating their stars like royalty (aka spoiled brats)?

Many teams have multiple alternates. Leafs did 3+ alternates as far back as 1986. They had as many as 6 early in the cap era. Even during the Matthews era, Lou had them at 4, and Dubas actually cut them down. Marner earned his letter. What a silly thing to be upset about.

 

[Hallonbroder]

Many teams have multiple alternates. Leafs did 3+ alternates as far back as 1986. They had as many as 6 early in the cap era. Even during the Matthews era, Lou had them at 4, and Dubas actually cut them down. Marner earned his letter. What a silly thing to be upset about.

Totally agree. I have not seen a bigger leader in that dressing room for years than Mitch Marner. He smiles and hugs people, while singing, and that’s all you need, really, to perform

 

[Gary Nylund]

Totally agree. I have not seen a bigger leader in that dressing room for years than Mitch Marner. He smiles and hugs people, while singing, and that’s all you need, really, to perform

The single most important thing you look for in a leader, is that his teammates like him and from what some posters here have said, he is very well liked. It must be true because it's been posted literally hundreds of times. I hear he organizes team dinners and stuff like that and I don't even want to think about how rudderless this group would be without him. Mitchy Marner is the cement that binds this unit.

You can't put a price on that!

 

[LeafEgo]

Totally agree. I have not seen a bigger leader in that dressing room for years than Mitch Marner. He smiles and hugs people, while singing, and that’s all you need, really, to perform

By all accounts Marner appears to be a strong contributor in the room and supports leadership in his own way, but at the same time probably didn't need the half A all this time.

 

[Hallonbroder]

The single most important thing you look for in a leader, is that his teammates like him and from what some posters here have said, he is very well liked. It must be true because it's been posted literally hundreds of times. I hear he organizes team dinners and stuff like that and I don't even want to think about how rudderless this group would be without him. Mitchy Marner is the cement that binds this unit.

You can't put a price on that!

Not sure if you’re serious or not, but he’s the next Wendel Clark IMO

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

I truly cringed when they named him an alternate "A" along with Matthews.

I mean, what bigger sign is it that a team is infant-level coddling its players than the inability to just give one of the "A"'s to Auston or Mitch and not both (I'm pretty sure Reilly was the other Assistant when Tavares was named as Captain.) And the idea one would wear it on the road and the other at home ... my God man, just embarrassing on so many levels.

It reeked of Shanny/Dubas not wanting to hurt poor, little Mitchy's feelings if he didn't get to be assistant along with his buddy. I'm just not sure if the decision was born out of spinelessness on behalf of the GM and President (and MLSE in general) or they were just being consistent with MLSE's corporate policy of treating their stars like royalty (aka spoiled brats)?

I don't know.

But they had the chance to rectify that mistake this year when they gave the C to Matthews and gave Tavares an A. They could have just stripped Marner of his half A but instead decided to split Rielly's A in two. So they stripped Rielly of half his A basically.

They took it away from the wrong guy.

 

[leafs in five]

Eh? Alright, I’ll give up

 

[francis246]

I truly cringed when they named him an alternate "A" along with Matthews.

I mean, what bigger sign is it that a team is infant-level coddling its players than the inability to just give one of the "A"'s to Auston or Mitch and not both (I'm pretty sure Reilly was the other Assistant when Tavares was named as Captain.) And the idea one would wear it on the road and the other at home ... my God man, just embarrassing on so many levels.

It reeked of Shanny/Dubas not wanting to hurt poor, little Mitchy's feelings if he didn't get to be assistant along with his buddy. I'm just not sure if the decision was born out of spinelessness on behalf of the GM and President (and MLSE in general) or they were just being consistent with MLSE's corporate policy of treating their stars like royalty (aka spoiled brats)?

This is so over dramatic. The leafs aren’t the first club to have this arrangement. Buffalo split the CAPTAINCY. Between Danny Brière and Chris Dury. Drury would also wear the captaincy specifically against Boston and New York, Brière would wear against Montreal. Both were fantastic leaders and the Sabres did really well with that arrangement. One was the home captain and one was the away captain as well. No one made a big stink about that. Too bad their previous owner was super cheap. Other teams have also rotated A’s home an away. So I don’t get how it’s embarrassing. It’s been a thing in hockey

 

[Hallonbroder]

@leafs in five

I’ve come around and joining the Cult of Marner. He’s an amazing, playmaking savant that everyone loves. I get it now.

 

[ZEBROA]

@leafs in five

I’ve come around and joining the Cult of Marner. He’s an amazing, playmaking savant that everyone loves. I get it now.

Cant call it a Cult and still be a member...

 

[Hallonbroder]

Cant call it a Cult and still be a member...

Apparently I can :O

 

[Confucius]

If that is the case, why wait until July 1? Why not ask for a trade to a team that you are willing to extend with and that can give you an 8th year? Why take all this heat only to have the pressure of performing in the playoffs in April. when you normally wilt? Wilt again, and who is paying him $13m on July 1st. Sit down Kyle you idiot.

The fear mongering is reaching new heights.

Because the majority of fans want Marner To stay, regardless of what you read here. If MLSE believed the fans didn’t want him they wouldn’t even offer him a deal. Let’s not repeat the he sells jerseys; to whom? The fans apparently don’t want him but supposedly keep buying his jersey.

 

[ACC1224]

Because the majority of fans want Marner To stay, regardless of what you read here. If MLSE believed the fans didn’t want him they wouldn’t even offer him a deal. Let’s not repeat the he sells jerseys; to whom? The fans apparently don’t want him but supposedly keep buying his jersey.

The whole selling jerseys thing is dumb, reflects poorly on those constantly bringing it up.

 

[ToneDog]

Because the majority of fans want Marner To stay, regardless of what you read here. If MLSE believed the fans didn’t want him they wouldn’t even offer him a deal. Let’s not repeat the he sells jerseys; to whom? The fans apparently don’t want him but supposedly keep buying his jersey.

The question asked was, "What if Marner has decided he’s had enough in this market and is gonna dip"?

If that is the case, fans have nothing to do with him staying.

I'd say it more likely that the majority of Leafs fans are fed up with this core and have seen enough to know that they are never getting it done. So if they bomb in the playoffs, no way in hell can they run it back, can they?

 

[Dekes For Days]

I'd say it more likely that the majority of Leafs fans are fed up with this core and have seen enough to know that they are never getting it done.

Most Leaf fans aren't as irrationally pessimistic as this board.

 

[Racer88]

Most Leaf fans aren't as irrationally pessimistic as this board.

I’m betting there are a lot more fed up Leaf fans then you think.

 

[Mr_Fun]

Most Leaf fans aren't as irrationally pessimistic as this board.

I’ve been on plenty of Leaf forums the last 25 years and this board is easily the most morose and the one with most toxicity at times. I’m not saying we should all be “rah, rah”, but this place can resemble a playoff loss atmosphere, even after a couple of bad games. TBF, it’s also the most knowledgeable, so there’s that.

 

[Gabriel426]

The question asked was, "What if Marner has decided he’s had enough in this market and is gonna dip"?

If that is the case, fans have nothing to do with him staying.

I'd say it more likely that the majority of Leafs fans are fed up with this core and have seen enough to know that they are never getting it done. So if they bomb in the playoffs, no way in hell can they run it back, can they?

They can and they will. They will sell it that both JT and MM take deferred contracts where their cap hit is a lot less than their current cap hit.