Suntouchable13
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These guys, all of them, are very hard to cheer for and like. They all think they are God's gift to hockey and they deserve all that money. For doing what? I don't know, man. It's so frustrating to be a Leafs fan.
Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Continued
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The players don't necessarily believe their God's gift to hockey however Magic Mitch does believe fans view them as Gods in Toronto.
Marner on being a Leaf: "It means the world. We're looked upon as, you know, kind of Gods here to be honest". And just like God , on the seventh day , they rested. Leafs are loved by their fans.
ToneDog
56 years and counting. #FireTheShanaClan!
One goal in his last 9 games and it was into an empty Bruins net. If only they could play the Red Wings more often.
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Go figure, the 4th highest paid guy who's second in the league in assists/top 5 in points isn't scoring enough goals. 
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Go figure, the 4th highest paid guy who's second in the league in assists/top 5 in points isn't scoring enough goals.
In the land of the perennial overpaid core of losers, he shines bright like a star in the regular season (that nobody remembers or cares about ever). This fantastic distinction, like being the king of a failed state of the starved and depraved.
He can be the Kim Jong Un of Leafs Nation. Happy? All hail Marner regular season champion of Leafs nation.
ToneDog
56 years and counting. #FireTheShanaClan!
Are they hard to cheer for is it just many years of not winning finally setting in?
The perception of these guys is wild. Maybe because it’s our market and we are exposed to them more but our view of them compared to the rest of the league in terms of entitlement is skewed. I tend to watch post game pressures for a number of teams. The leafs don’t really crack even my top 5 of entitled players.
Go listen to an Elias Peterson post game, or how they feel about him out there, he’s vancouvers Marner haha. Every market gets annoyed with their guys. It’s not an isolated thing to the leafs.
Rested AND GOT PAID! Nothing more Christian/godly than being filthy, mitchy, rich! Pay him, pay him!
About to be the highest paid in the league, and he deserves it!Go figure, the 4th highest paid guy who's second in the league in assists/top 5 in points isn't scoring enough goals.
leafs in five
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thanks for your investigative reporting, Global Moderator
leafs in five
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people sometimes care about the regular season, for example when the team loses 3 in a row
Exactly why is it always playoffs vs reg season. Both are equally important. A good regular season should in theory set you up for better post season success.
It always kills me when people call professional athletes losers and stuff. Why make it so personal. It’s like we’re on a site posting anonymously about them. They are living the dream making mills, playing one of the best sports in the world. Who’s really losing? No one and certainly not them lol.
Gary Nylund
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Those two are closely related - our 1-8 playoff series record has dampened my enthusiasm level and I don't think I'm the only one.
I remember how happy I was with the way we played in the playoffs again WSH way back when. I was sure that after 50 years of waiting, we were entering the golden era and instead, here we are with these "superstars" on the tail end of their primes with a 1-8 playoff record.
They're not equally important to me. And while that's a nice theory, the reality is that we've seen 8 years of a good regular season followed by sub .500 hockey in the playoffs.
leafs in five
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the Montrealers I play hockey with are always trying to give me a shit about the choke artist Leafs etc etc and man I still just vastly prefer the good underachieving team with a few weeks of high stakes entertainment in May/June over like tracking our prospects at the WJC or the memorial cup or celebrating a momentous loss that benefits the tank or bragging on HFboards about getting a 1st to take on a bad contract
To your second point the leafs are a complete outlier. It sucks for us as leafs fans but the majority of sports teams who have success in the regular season have some level of success in the post. So I understand why you have now chosen to dismiss the regular season and that’s fair. But I still see a ton a value in it, especially winning your division and conference. I can’t tell you how to be a fan. Your stance of the situation doesn’t mean anyone else who still values the regular season isn’t living in reality. The leafs have been a good regular season team but they haven’t legitimately won the Atlantic in this era or the conference. Doing so could put them at a sizeable advantage so I want that for them.
Surely only this fanbase (sections of) think the regular season and playoffs are of equal importance?
I've never heard that said once outside of these boards.
This is the only fanbase (or sections of it) that completely discredits regular season success as well. So we are pretty crazy.
I mean it’s pretty simple, you need to do well to make the dance. Winning in the regular season is important. You don’t win, you don’t make the playoffs. You don’t win enough to be a top seed you face a team much better than you.
leafs in five
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I know for a fact that the Leafs team that missed the playoffs by a point in 2003/04 would have won a few rounds in those playoffs, and that's the important thing
That’s the spirit! Those are the kind of guys the Leafs need to win that elusive Stanley Cup that hasn’t been won in…60 years? Ish
About that “good reg season = good playoffs”-thing.. that didn’t help the Rangers, Bruins and the Panthers for example, the last three President Trophy winners. Or did you mean the players? But then…
Anyway. Mitchy Richy will show us the way!
Yup but they definitely said let’s finish 8th in the east cause only the playoffs matter boys.
You can be facetious all you want.
The bruins have never been a bottom feeder team. They have always been one of the better teams in the east. Their play from the regular season translates over. Same with the Rangers, while they may not have won the cup. They’ve made the conference finals multiple times. They weren’t shitty teams. They took winning in the regular season serious.
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I didn’t like how he didn’t pass to Lorentz even once, completely froze him out of the game last night. Made berube have the switch earlier than he should’ve
leafs in five
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yeah I was thinking he definitely passes on that 2-on-1 if it's a different winger
Gary Nylund
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Yes we are an outlier, an extreme outlier. I've been following pro sports for 50+ years and I've never seen anything like it. And I mean not just 8 years of regular season success followed by sub .500 playoffs, but also our star players who's level of play (I'm talking about producing offence which we can accurately measure) consistently drops in the playoffs.
I have not "dismissed" the regular season, I'm just not as interested in it as I once was but of course I respect the POV of people who care about it more than I do, and I also respect the POV of people who value regular season over playoffs. I think that's what all reasonable people do - we have our opinions, and we respect the opinions of other people. I find it hard to get excited for most games these days, I don't think I need to apologize for that and those people that are still as excited as ever, I'm happy for them and TBH, I wish I could be more excited myself, but I'm just not.
I'd be happy if we won the division and/or the conference but because of our history, I'm also acutely aware that unless our guys are prepared to make sacrifices in the playoffs it won't matter. I feel pretty good about our chances of winning at least one round this spring, but that's more due to how weak the East is than how I feel about the team. It's still the same core that fails every spring, the big improvement is in net but those guys can't score goals.
This was supposed to be the golden era for this team and so far, boy has it ever sucked. First people were comparing us to the Chicago dynasty, now they're desperately pointing to WSH and saying see, we're still on track. Yeah, right.
If we win a couple of rounds this spring and look good in the process (meaning we're fighting hard, standing up for each other, taking hits to make plays and just looking like we're willing to pay the price to win in general), believe me, I'll be as excited as anyone else once again but for now, I'm just trying to keep my sense of humor about life in general and also the the Leafs while I wait to see how things shape up with a new US president and wait for the playoffs to start. Cheers!
Completely valid response. Thank you! And I felt the same way immediately after Montreal but got sucked back in. I think to start the season after the MTL series I barely watched any games. So I completely understand the regular season not providing the same level of of excitement of importance for a fan.
Gary Nylund
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I was sucked back in somehow about 2 years ago. I remember being super impressed with how Marner was playing in particular, then we added ROR, Schenn, McCabe (and a couple of lesser adds) at the TDL, I thought that on paper that was the best Leaf team I'd ever seen. Then against Florida the bottom fell out and now I'm not saying these guys can't do it, I'm just saying that I need to see it before I believe it. There are also some regular season games that I'm at least somewhat interested in, the next three are all in that category so looking forward to tomorrow night. GLG!
