Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Continued

[francis246]

Then the sports psychologist and media coach should be fire if this is what being taught.

I really can’t think of anything MM could had said that could be worse, even if he said it was a good lesson.

Is it that hard to teach them to say, ‘we didn’t play as well as the other team and need to be better in the next game.’

You are reaching a bit with your reason.

Having said all that, I really wish MM and the core don’t believe that they played well but with the history of post playoffs pressers as data, sadly they might actually do.

No one is saying they told him to say that word for word. Just based on my experience in sport this is classic coping mechanisms for a player, someone has been working with him on coping with outside noise or media/fan pressure. The messaging is probably focus on your game and what you do well to contribute to success. block out the noise. I’ve seen the same thing with a lot of young players I’ve coached in my sport. The problem with this strategy is that players become so focused on everything they think they are doing right they neglect to acknowledge things that affect the game overall or how their play affects their teammates. Very common issue. I do think he’s getting bad advice from someone and he’s making bad decisions in his head every time he speaks.

But as I’ve mentioned before. I’ve played pro before, I coach now at a very high level not hockey, you’d be surprised at how many people are involved in players lives and also giving advice on how to deal with pressure. Organizations and Sporting organizations spend thousands on mental training and players themselves also invest in third party individuals to do private sessions too. Would not be surprised if that’s what’s going on here with Marner. They kind of alluded to it in the Amazon series after Montreal too

 

[Gabriel426]

Lots of people saying he'll sign somewhere between Nylander and Matthews.

He should sign somewhere between Seattle and Utah

There is still Chicago

 

[666]

Unfortunately it’s not a couple of bad games and one quote. There are 8 years of bad games and quotes to go along with this. Marner hasn’t learned anything at all during that time or just does not care.

Fair enough, but every player on this team has shared in the bad games and almost all them have much worse games than him so the games part shouldn't really matter that much. The quote part, ok, but it's not on the ice so all in all it's pretty trivial unless it impacts his teammates.

 

[likecheese]

Well Mitch I can’t say I agree but you’ll probably find some teammates that agree.

If insulting him makes you feel better at night than go for it lol.

They aren’t tell him word for word what to say but likely they’ve gone through a process of trying to get him to eliminate the noise and have a positive mindset. Marner is probably interpreting that however way he is and the result is his quotes.

Read Tanev's comments, that's how a guy with a functioning brain sees that game.

 

[francis246]

Read Tanev's comments, that's how a guy with a functioning brain sees that game.

Absolutely, have you not noticed it’s always the newer players that come to the organization that have had that mindset? While the guys who have been here the longest literally take no accountability at all. So what does that tell you? Maybe there is a culture within the leafs that hasn’t been right for years?

 

[Gabriel426]

No one is saying they told him to say that word for word. Just based on my experience in sport this is classic coping mechanisms for a player, someone has been working with him on coping with outside noise or media/fan pressure. The messaging is probably focus on your game and what you do well to contribute to success. block out the noise. I’ve seen the same thing with a lot of young players I’ve coached in my sport. The problem with this strategy is that players become so focused on everything they think they are doing right they neglect to acknowledge things that affect the game overall or how their play affects their teammates. Very common issue. I do think he’s getting bad advice from someone and he’s making bad decisions in his head every time he speaks.

But as I’ve mentioned before. I’ve played pro before, I coach now at a very high level not hockey, you’d be surprised at how many people are involved in players lives and also giving advice on how to deal with pressure. Organizations and Sporting organizations spend thousands on mental training and players themselves also invest in third party individuals to do private sessions too. Would not be surprised if that’s what’s going on here with Marner. They kind of alluded to it in the Amazon series after Montreal too

Agree it is really bad advices.

I played high level rugby and was one of the assistant coaches for youth international teams in Hong Kong years ago. And I agree that players are coach in what to say…still remember telling the U17 team in an international tournament when asked questions, always say you positive stuff…

Scary thing is that you pretty much just confirmed my fear. As you stated these professionals makes players focus on what they think they are doing right. What if MM truly thinks he played well last night.

 

[Aashir Mallik]

I think some are reading into the quote a bit much, It is a bit crazy but nothing we haven’t seen

We know Marner sucks when speaking to the media. I like to poke fun at what he says because it is crazy some of the stuff he says, but most of the time he just says the wrong things for the fans.

 

[Apex Predator]

Fair enough, but every player on this team has shared in the bad games and almost all them have much worse games than him so the games part shouldn't really matter that much. The quote part, ok, but it's not on the ice so all in all it's pretty trivial unless it impacts his teammates.

Every player gets that hate as well. From Kadri to Kerfoot to holl to Robertson to nylander to Matthews to Marner. I don’t think you can say others haven’t got hate for playing bad games.

 

[Gabriel426]

What was the question that prompted the quote?

Don’t know but pretty sure along the line of Do you think the team played well to any comments for this game. Somewhere inbetween.

If the question was when will you sign your new contract and MM made this quote, he is a Genius

 

[PROUD PAPA]

Read Tanev's comments, that's how a guy with a functioning brain sees that game.

Named Tanev as 1 of my 3 favourites. I’ve always admired his drive, competitiveness and no fear approach. If our fancy boys could ever reach his intensity level the Leafs might actually achieve something worthwhile.

 

[ACC1224]

Read Tanev's comments, that's how a guy with a functioning brain sees that game.

Taney said the ‘effort was there’, not really much different

 

[francis246]

Agree it is really bad advices.

I played high level rugby and was one of the assistant coaches for youth international teams in Hong Kong years ago. And I agree that players are coach in what to say…still remember telling the U17 team in an international tournament when asked questions, always say you positive stuff…

Scary thing is that you pretty much just confirmed my fear. As you stated these professionals makes players focus on what they think they are doing right. What if MM truly thinks he played well last night.

I have zero doubt in my mind, a bunch of the leafs felt they played well yesterday but they didn’t get things to fall their way. I don’t think Marner is alone in that. Personally it probably speaks to a deeper issue with the core players within the room. In someways you need that mindset as pro because you don’t want to get sucked into negativity. But you also need the ability to process when you’ve played bad, acknowledge it and address how you will attack the next game with more purpose. I don’t see them doing the later through their comments.

 

[Gabriel426]

Absolutely, have you not noticed it’s always the newer players that come to the organization that have had that mindset? While the guys who have been here the longest literally take no accountability at all. So what does that tell you? Maybe there is a culture within the leafs that hasn’t been right for years?

Won’t that just means the core needs to be reshape to build new culture.

Or maybe we can point to Jumbo hanging out with them the last few days as reason they loss two in a row.

 

[ACC1224]

Don’t know but pretty sure along the line of Do you think the team played well to any comments for this game. Somewhere inbetween.

If the question was when will you sign your new contract and MM made this quote, he is a Genius

No idea but the media do tend to pick one sentence out and frame it for the greatest affect.

 

[Antropovsky]

Looking at advanced stats from last years Bruins series.

Comparing apples to similar apples. Domi, a small, pass first forward, to Marner, a small, pass first forward.

Both played exactly 99 minutes 5v5.

3 million Domi was much more of a threat than 10.893 million Marner.

Individual expected goals
Individual scoring chances
Individual high danger scoring chances

Domi was much higher in those categories.

 

[666]

Every player gets that hate as well. From Kadri to Kerfoot to holl to Robertson to nylander to Matthews to Marner. I don’t think you can say others haven’t got hate for playing bad games.

Sure, but in the context of the discussion about people overreacting, I don't think people get this emotional about the other players. For example the Matthews thread has 3 posts so far today. We are on our third page largely because of emotional responses to a trivial quote.

 

[francis246]

Won’t that just means the core needs to be reshape to build new culture.

Or maybe we can point to Jumbo hanging out with them the last few days as reason they loss two in a row.

New core or someone/something needs to shake up that room. Wish we got a guy like Perry a few years ago, he has that type of impact. It sucks because I think after Florida the leafs had the opportunity to shake up the room, but Shanny and Dubas got into their little fight and we missed the boat on that oppprtunity.

Also PS rugby is an awesome sport man!

 

[666]

Both played exactly 99 minutes 5v5.

Absurdly small sample size that ignores context that Marner plays against the top competition and other things. Try again.

 

[Gabriel426]

I have zero doubt in my mind, a bunch of the leafs felt they played well yesterday but they didn’t get things to fall their way. I don’t think Marner is alone in that. Personally it probably speaks to a deeper issue with the core players within the room. In someways you need that mindset as pro because you don’t want to get sucked into negativity. But you also need the ability to process when you’ve played bad, acknowledge it and address how you will attack the next game with more purpose. I don’t see them doing the later through their comments.

Exactly that.
I don’t think MM is alone in that, as JT with his lessons….just so happened MM got the worst mic skills.
That’s what worries me they(core) truly believe that they are close to the Cup and is really just a few bounces away.

 

[likecheese]

Taney said the ‘effort was there’, not really much different

Fair enough, I can't find it, I thought he said unacceptable or to that effect, they should all KNOW, without filtering it through their media-speak, how totally embarrassing it is to get outworked by a team that flew in on game-day after a back-to-back. It's really clownish to even try to put a positive spin on that, people at that game should get partial refunds.

 

[Antropovsky]

What was the question that prompted the quote?

Don’t know but pretty sure along the line of Do you think the team played well to any comments for this game. Somewhere inbetween.

If the question was when will you sign your new contract and MM made this quote, he is a Genius

"How would you judge the effort level tonight"

 

[Gabriel426]

No idea but the media do tend to pick one sentence out and frame it for the greatest affect.

Agree but at the same time, it was a really bad quote like I really couldn’t think of anything worse that anyone(any players in any sports) could said after a loss like last night.

The opposing team was on the back of a back to back, didn’t arrive till 6 1/2 hours before the game due to snow storm delay. While also in a slump plus infighting among their top two players.

 

[notDatsyuk]

You two should do us all a favour and block each other.

Or at least create their own thread.

 

[Kegs]

Marner is elite. His next contract will be so expensive.

 

[Gabriel426]

New core or someone/something needs to shake up that room. Wish we got a guy like Perry a few years ago, he has that type of impact. It sucks because I think after Florida the leafs had the opportunity to shake up the room, but Shanny and Dubas got into their little fight and we missed the boat on that oppprtunity.

Also PS rugby is an awesome sport man!

Perry would help but needs a few more players.

Which brings back to the Reaves signing and what both Tre and Reaves first said after he was signed.

Rugby is great but it did took a lot of my health. Not from playing but from drinking after the game, lol.