Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Continued

[thewave]

It would be nice but no Cup didn’t hurt Sittler, Salming, Gilmour, Clark’s legacy.

There is no legacy. Just old people with fond memories of the guys that idolized as children. Your kids kids will not know or care about any of them. Assuming we win those players will be the dark era players nobody talks about. If the new Leafs pull a cup or two in the next 20 years the only thing will be contrast with other winning Leafs teams.

Those players as good as they are are being celebrated because we have nothing else to talk about. Like winning.

Now you can admit we were also right about MM and JT being more suitable. We get things right you get things wrong it's okay

 

[DarkKnight]

It’s more
Side 1: good game, didn’t do the fancy stuff that pisses people off, wish every game would be like this
Side 2: Mitch plays every game like this

If Mitch approached every game like this he’d be one of my favourite players and worth every penny of whatever he’s going to ask for July 1st

Dude he's a top ten scorer in the entire NHL, you act like he's been uneven. Doesn't work that way. Nobody is great 82 games a year, and really Marner has been incredibly consistent this year, little ebbs and flows aside. Every player, in every league, in every sport, forever, wishes they were at their best ever game.

Was fun to watch last night.

 

[thewave]

Dude he's a top ten scorer in the entire NHL, you act like he's been uneven. Doesn't work that way. Nobody is great 82 games a year, and really Marner has been incredibly consistent this year, little ebbs and flows aside. Every player, in every league, in every sport, forever, wishes they were at their best ever game.

Was fun to watch last night.

He is better with JT like we have been saying for years. He is still a playoff flop but maybe now they have clued in that MM JT WORKS, THEY WILL RUN IT IN THE POs.

They still need to win

 

[Mess]

Marner without Matthews is driving up his asking price,

You do want players stranding up and filling in for injured key core players.

The Detroit win was statement game for Marner.

 

[ACC1224]

Dude he's a top ten scorer in the entire NHL, you act like he's been uneven. Doesn't work that way. Nobody is great 82 games a year, and really Marner has been incredibly consistent this year, little ebbs and flows aside. Every player, in every league, in every sport, forever, wishes they were at their best ever game.

Was fun to watch last night.

No doubt not everyone had fun watching that.

 

[666]

No doubt not everyone had fun watching that.

I just can't imagine what the haters go through. Shift after shift, game after game they must just be miserable.

 

[Smif]

More proof that we have been right all along about MM. We are the ones that criticize but don't hate Mitch. We speak the truth and more truth is coming at you by happenstance...

Mitch Marner played/plays better with slower players like JT who are also skilled and willing to go to the net. We have been saying this the whole time and the Mitch Marner superfans have defended status quo ignorantly.

Looks like some fans are just brighter than coaches or coaches that are contractually obliged to take direction from star players.

Now does it carry to the playoffs are we going to square peg the round hole another year and listen to sparky remarks of the Marner appeal to authority crowd?

Not sure what you're saying here. Us Marner fans have never been opposed to a different center for Marner, I loved him and JT together since JT's first season here. One quote always stuck out to me from Tampa's coach awhile ago: "When we saw how good Marner and JT's line have been together we decided to matchup our top pairing D against them rather than the Matthews line".

When they're separated, coaches have a decision to make, when they're together it's an easy decision.

 

[DarkKnight]

I just can't imagine what the haters go through. Shift after shift, game after game they must just be miserable.

Imagine wanting a player to fail on your team. Shrink worthy.

 

[ULF_55]

marner becomes the hired gun.

They have more than 1 playmaker on the team.

I think more talent shines through when they all take opportunities, and don't fall in line behind one.

 

[thewave]

Not sure what you're saying here. Us Marner fans have never been opposed to a different center for Marner, I loved him and JT together since JT's first season here. One quote always stuck out to me from Tampa's coach awhile ago: "When we saw how good Marner and JT's line have been together we decided to matchup our top pairing D against them rather than the Matthews line".

When they're separated, coaches have a decision to make, when they're together it's an easy decision.

You're joking right?

It's thread after thread of Marner needs to be with Matthews in here. Nothing but support of Keefe and now Berube with AM MM.

Split AM MM up has been a long running heated debate around here. Need a bigger broom to sweep that under the rug.

Changes nothing BTW. Should not be signed before a succesful playoff run.

 

[LeafsFan89]

Kind of annoyed/proves the point that Marner just defers to Matthews instead of shooting more. Clearly he has more tools in his toolbox. Also, please put the big three on separate lines.

Contracts should be signed after the playoffs.

 

[Dreakmur]

Kind of annoyed/proves the point that Marner just defers to Matthews instead of shooting more. Clearly he has more tools in his toolbox. Also, please put the big three on separate lines.

Contracts should be signed after the playoffs.

It's been obvious for years - Marner is way better when he's not with Matthews. They should never play together again.

 

[thewave]

It's been obvious for years - Marner is way better when he's not with Matthews. They should never play together again.

Right and that's why so many people were getting called conspiracy theorists when they suggested AM MM on a line was a contractual thing coaches could not split.

Maybe some of these Marner fans can't actually see what's happening on the ice though. Maybe they just see two names Matthews and Marner the superstar line and are like yeah that sounds smart, let me insert a brainy quote and disparage posters that don't agree with what the coaches are doing.

They got busted for not knowing what they are talking about again and going to shift narratives watch. Comedy gold.

 

[Jojalu]

From what Florida fans say, he is very overrated, and he is definitely injury-prone.

One thing is for sure, fanbases believe every player that is paid is over-rated and on a terrible contract and every prospect is the next McDavid or Orr.

Unless you are McDavid, Kucherov or Mack

 

[thewave]

One thing is for sure, fanbases believe every player that is paid is over-rated and on a terrible contract and every prospect is the next McDavid or Orr.

Unless you are McDavid, Kucherov or Mack

Matthews as well. His contract is OK but he ignorantly took the 4 year extension during a time where some health things were ongoing. He should have secured the 8, the safe bet.

 

[francis246]

You're joking right?

It's thread after thread of Marner needs to be with Matthews in here. Nothing but support of Keefe and now Berube with AM MM.

Split AM MM up has been a long running heated debate around here. Need a bigger broom to sweep that under the rug.

Changes nothing BTW. Should not be signed before a succesful playoff run.

This couldn’t be further from the truth.. you guys argued that he made Matthews worse. Many people argued that he didn’t make Matthews worse (because that’s what the last 2 years have been for a lot of you, non stop trying to diminish this guy as a player) not that he should necessarily play with Matthews.

I think most people who like Marner have agreed that he plays best with John Tavares and in fact have no problem with him playing with any center. In fact JT - ROR - Marner was dynamite and I was shocked Keefe split that up in the playoffs.

 

[BraveCanadian]

I just can't imagine what the haters go through. Shift after shift, game after game they must just be miserable.

It’s weird hating on our best all around and most consistent player but some people have kind of staked the proof of their “superior” hockey knowledge on this point, and can’t admit fault.

Kind of like all summer there were posts he was getting traded blah blah.. all wrong. He’s almost 100% getting resigned and likely the whole bunch of them are going to look better in the playoffs this year if the D and goaltending keep this up.

 

[Stephen]

marner becomes the hired gun.

They have more than 1 playmaker on the team.

I think more talent shines through when they all take opportunities, and don't fall in line behind one.

The problem this year is the team elevated Matthews ahead of the rest of the Big 4, and he hasn't been in a position to lead due to health, health related quality of play, etc. so it's a lot more refreshing to see the others take more ownership and step up without a faltering alpha jamming it up. Marner, Nylander and Tavares are just a lot more assertive when they have to lead.

 

[Stephen]

This couldn’t be further from the truth.. you guys argued that he made Matthews worse. Many people argued that he didn’t make Matthews worse (because that’s what the last 2 years have been for a lot of you, non stop trying to diminish this guy as a player) not that he should necessarily play with Matthews.

I think most people who like Marner have agreed that he plays best with John Tavares and in fact have no problem with him playing with any center. In fact JT - ROR - Marner was dynamite and I was shocked Keefe split that up in the playoffs.

Matthews and Marner as a duo get very stale and they make each other worse when they struggle. It seems to take away Marner's assertiveness and Matthews starts playing more east west, while also deferring to Marner and they don't use their third wheel very well.

 

[thewave]

This couldn’t be further from the truth.. you guys argued that he made Matthews worse. Many people argued that he didn’t make Matthews worse (because that’s what the last 2 years have been for a lot of you, non stop trying to diminish this guy as a player) not that he should necessarily play with Matthews.

I think most people who like Marner have agreed that he plays best with John Tavares and in fact have no problem with him playing with any center. In fact JT - ROR - Marner was dynamite and I was shocked Keefe split that up in the playoffs.

That isn't true and you know it. People said it's not working with them 5v5 or in the playoffs. Nobody here that criticizes Marner has ever once said he is a bad player. They have questioned why not break the big 3 up. It's working right now and this is the new attempt to switch the narrative.

 

[GoonieFace]

That isn't true and you know it. People said it's not working with them 5v5 or in the playoffs. Nobody here that criticizes Marner has ever once said he is a bad player. They have questioned why not break the big 3 up. It's working right now and this is the new attempt to switch the narrative.

I’ve been critical of Marner for how he plays the game plain and simple. Too much fancy crap, he seems to cut it out when not with Matthews, which makes him more effective. Him shooting more also helps himself and his linemates.

I also question whether he can ever be more effective in the playoffs when time and space disappear. If he plays a more direct game and fights through checks etc, perhaps he can.

I don’t think there is a Leaf fan that doesn’t want to see him and the team succeed. The Marner fanboy’s can question that all they want.

 

[francis246]

That isn't true and you know it. People said it's not working with them 5v5 or in the playoffs. Nobody here that criticizes Marner has ever once said he is a bad player. They have questioned why not break the big 3 up. It's working right now and this is the new attempt to switch the narrative.

Lol, no one’s switching any narratives. I haven’t seen anyone on either side advocate for Marner to be staples to Matthews. In fact that has been the single most noticeable piece of common ground in all the Marner threads. The only thing being argued was whether Marner or Matthews is less effective with one another. No one was saying that they NEED to play together. That has never been the crux of any argument in any of these threads.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

Matthews as well. His contract is OK but he ignorantly took the 4 year extension during a time where some health things were ongoing. He should have secured the 8, the safe bet.

They're all insured against injury anyway.

They get a blanket insurance policy based on estimated career earnings. Then if they get injured and have to retire early they get an annuity. I'm not sure how it all works exactly, but I do know that Matthews will have his career earnings insured, and any shortfall due to injury will be covered.

The rich get all kinds of perks us common folks could never even imagine.

 

[francis246]

They're all insured against injury anyway.

They get a blanket insurance policy based on estimated career earnings. Then if they get injured and have to retire early they get an annuity. I'm not sure how it all works exactly, but I do know that Matthews will have his career earnings insured, and any shortfall due to injury will be covered.

The rich get all kinds of perks us common folks could never even imagine.

Correct, in some rare cases the contract is not insured and that creates some complications like makes the contract untradeable or prevents teams from signing a guy. Most noticeably, Michael Ferland’s contract was not insured. Pretty sure Nathan Hortons contract wasn’t either and that’s why Toronto traded for it and gave CBJ the clarkson contract bc Toronto could afford to pay Hortons contract when he inevitably failed his physical.

 

[Stephen]

I like that he's shooting a lot more in Matthews absence. The confidence to do so will only help him if he keeps it up.