Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Continued

[Mr_Fun]

Pretty mediocre for him the last two if we’re being honest.

 

[thusk]

If M&M&JT produced offence at the same rate as they do in the regular season the way Nylander does, that would be more than enough. You keep obfuscating with 5on5, top6, whatever but you're not fooling me one bit.

With that cap hit, he's expected to lead the way offensively and if he doesn't do that, no amount of defence is going to make up for it. Or to put it another way, your point is pretty much irrelevant.

If Nylander who be able to still producing against good matchup like he did in regular, maybe leafs would not have as much concern exemple by depht because they would not had to play as much against opposite top line to create Nylander mismatch

Your obsession with denegrating Nylander made you completely miss the point of my post. Not surprising, really.

You reqrite basically what i said withdraw Nylander who's also part of the problem... If it was not goal of your post, not sure you know yourself what you really said.

You all happy with Nylander game in playoff fine... The day Nylander will not have Marner anymore in front to remove him from tough matchup, what do you really thing will happening. Hw will not become better by magic if he doesn't raise him game. Even when he played with Matthews in playoff, they was trash together and reason they never stay together. If they play together Opposite team will just have to shutdown AM/WN and will be over, if they split both, Matthews will have to take most of those matchup, maybe need to start even more in defensive nd and whatever and maybe broke his offensive game.

Like i said EVERYONE NO EXCEPTION need to raise their game, you can do every change you want, if they don't raise it...they will never be better whatever wich change they make.

 

[arso40]

If Nylander who be able to still producing against good matchup like he did in regular, maybe leafs would not have as much concern exemple by depht because they would not had to play as much against opposite top line to create Nylander mismatch




You reqrite basically what i said withdraw Nylander who's also part of the problem... If it was not goal of your post, not sure you know yourself what you really said.

You all happy with Nylander game in playoff fine... The day Nylander will not have Marner anymore in front to remove him from tough matchup, what do you really thing will happening. Hw will not become better by magic if he doesn't raise him game. Even when he played with Matthews in playoff, they was trash together and reason they never stay together. If they play together Opposite team will just have to shutdown AM/WN and will be over, if they split both, Matthews will have to take most of those matchup, maybe need to start even more in defensive nd and whatever and maybe broke his offensive game.

Like i said EVERYONE NO EXCEPTION need to raise their game, you can do every change you want, if they don't raise it...they will never be better whatever wich change they make.

If they’re all trash what’s the difference Willy and Matthew’s are the only ones with speed skill and power to create in all situations if marner isn’t on Matthew’s wing guess who won’t get the tough matchups any more loooool n it’s not the captain

 

[notDatsyuk]

You reqrite basically what i said withdraw Nylander who's also part of the problem... If it was not goal of your post, not sure you know yourself what you really said.

You all happy with Nylander game in playoff fine... The day Nylander will not have Marner anymore in front to remove him from tough matchup, what do you really thing will happening. Hw will not become better by magic if he doesn't raise him game. Even when he played with Matthews in playoff, they was trash together and reason they never stay together. If they play together Opposite team will just have to shutdown AM/WN and will be over, if they split both, Matthews will have to take most of those matchup, maybe need to start even more in defensive nd and whatever and maybe broke his offensive game.

Like i said EVERYONE NO EXCEPTION need to raise their game, you can do every change you want, if they don't raise it...they will never be better whatever wich change they make.

If you think I quoted you (I believe that's what you meant) then you really missed the point. Obviously English isn't your first language, so it may just be a misunderstanding on your part.

The thread and particular topic were about Marner and specifically his playoff performance, and you have to erroneously make it about Nylander, and in so doing, missed the entire point.

 

[Gabriel426]

NEWSFLASH, they all choked in the playoffs. They are a whole bunch of Betas Chokers pretending to be Alphas.

The diff. is that Willie was not paid like an Alpha in the League till THIS SEASON. Don't want to check but I am pretty sure EVERY teams in the league over the past 8 years had someone who makes 7mil/yr.

How many teams had not ONE, not TWO but THREE players making over 10.5mil over the past 8 years? Heck, how many teams even had ONE player making over 10.5mil on their team.

Thats why AM, MM and JT will get more criticisms esp if they choke in the playoffs bc they are expected to carry the team as the ELITE few in the league that makes over 10.5mil/yr.

Back to MM, think he ran out of gas the last week or so, hope the break will do him some good.

 

[BraveCanadian]

Pretty mediocre for him the last two if we’re being honest.

Yup he needs to get going like he was when he was pulling the team along while Matthews was out.

 

[arso40]

Yup he needs to get going like he was when he was pulling the team along while Matthews was out.

He definitely was carrying a heavy load WITH Willy and jt looooool he’s human like the other two ebbs and flows my friend

 

[thewave]

NEWSFLASH, they all choked in the playoffs. They are a whole bunch of Betas Chokers pretending to be Alphas.

The diff. is that Willie was not paid like an Alpha in the League till THIS SEASON. Don't want to check but I am pretty sure EVERY teams in the league over the past 8 years had someone who makes 7mil/yr.

How many teams had not ONE, not TWO but THREE players making over 10.5mil over the past 8 years? Heck, how many teams even had ONE player making over 10.5mil on their team.

Thats why AM, MM and JT will get more criticisms esp if they choke in the playoffs bc they are expected to carry the team as the ELITE few in the league that makes over 10.5mil/yr.

Back to MM, think he ran out of gas the last week or so, hope the break will do him some good.

MM was obviously shooting his bolt to get a Christmas contract. He was going balls out and the team needs to just let this take its course all the way into the playoffs and after.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

I wonder how many people read this thread and had their mind changed on Marner. Well find nobody more dug in including myself

 

[francis246]

Pretty mediocre for him the last two if we’re being honest.

Yup. He’s not been great. But that’s to be expected of all players. You have great stretches, you get a bit cold. Hopefully he finds his game.

It kind of sucks because it seems like which ever superstar is with JT will have more success. Remember Marner was with JT all November and it looked amazing. Now Nylander is with JT and that looks great.

 

[Gary Nylund]

NEWSFLASH, they all choked in the playoffs. They are a whole bunch of Betas Chokers pretending to be Alphas.

The diff. is that Willie was not paid like an Alpha in the League till THIS SEASON. Don't want to check but I am pretty sure EVERY teams in the league over the past 8 years had someone who makes 7mil/yr.

How many teams had not ONE, not TWO but THREE players making over 10.5mil over the past 8 years? Heck, how many teams even had ONE player making over 10.5mil on their team.

Thats why AM, MM and JT will get more criticisms esp if they choke in the playoffs bc they are expected to carry the team as the ELITE few in the league that makes over 10.5mil/yr.

Back to MM, think he ran out of gas the last week or so, hope the break will do him some good.

Nylander did anything but choke. He puts up points at the same pace as during the regular season, doesn't disappear when the going gets tough, what more could you ask for? He earns his pay in the playoffs, if the other stars did the same we would have won a bunch of playoff series by now.

 

[thusk]

If they’re all trash what’s the difference Willy and Matthew’s are the only ones with speed skill and power to create in all situations if marner isn’t on Matthew’s wing guess who won’t get the tough matchups any more loooool n it’s not the captain

They all be split last season in playoff
Marner played 81% vs boston top 6
Matthews around 67% (from memory)
Nylander 55%

The previous time they played on separate line on playoff most of series was 2 previous serie vs Boston where Marner outplayed bergeron-marchand-Pastrnak playing with plekanec-marleau and next season with tavares and hyman playing against bergeron-marchand-Pastrnak line again with less succes.Since 20 Marner played against toughest matchup, its a fact, not an opinion.

If leafs core would be enough good, they would not only having 1 series won against a goalie struggling pretty hard in 8 year. Its also a part why i want marner matthews and nylander be split on 3 different line.

Pacioretty-Tavares-Nylander gave up some good flash

Mcmann ( or robertson if he still playing like he actually did) -Matthews-Domi

Knies- Gourde or pageau ( typr of player-Marner to recreate the marleau-plekanec-Marner who had been the best leafs in playoff last 8 years

Its what i would like to see

 

[arso40]

Yup. He’s not been great. But that’s to be expected of all players. You have great stretches, you get a bit cold. Hopefully he finds his game.

It kind of sucks because it seems like which ever superstar is with JT will have more success. Remember Marner was with JT all November and it looked amazing. Now Nylander is with JT and that looks great.

Jt has been a solid 2c but Nylander looked good beside kampf he gets it done regardless who he’s with

 

[thewave]

Jt has been a solid 2c but Nylander looked good beside kampf he gets it done regardless who he’s with

It's so true. The only good things about Nylander though are like his speed, shot, playmaking, zone entry, ability to work well with virtually any teammates and his cluth performance and steadiness in the playoffs even under elimination. So I mean that's at least something positive and he makes a great addition to having a star like Marner.

 

[sunstersun]

I wonder how many people read this thread and had their mind changed on Marner. Well find nobody more dug in including myself

I changed my mind on Marner for 10 games when he was doing well without Matthews.

Then the bullshit came back.

 

[francis246]

Jt has been a solid 2c but Nylander looked good beside kampf he gets it done regardless who he’s with

lol, didn’t Nylander have a stretch of like 4 or 5 games without a point this season? When he was on a line with Holmberg I think it was? Every player goes through ups and downs.

 

[Stephen]

I changed my mind on Marner for 10 games when he was doing well without Matthews.

Then the bullshit came back.

At least the Leafs didn’t panic sign at the time. Good for them.

 

[arso40]

lol, didn’t Nylander have a stretch of like 4 or 5 games without a point this season? When he was on a line with Holmberg I think it was? Every player goes through ups and downs.

What I meant by that which you should agree is nylander produces despite who he plays with sure he’s gone games pointless he never plays with the best players on the team unless it’s a power play we saw two games ago kampf and marner could do nothing put him with Willy he gets an assist wasn’t a knocc against marner he needs scorers with him to maximize his skill set Willy just needs the pucc

 

[Confucius]

I wonder how many people read this thread and had their mind changed on Marner. Well find nobody more dug in including myself

Too funny but yeah I’m starting to teeter, I think he’s a great player but he can’t show up every game nobody does. Maybe we should spread out the talent.

 

[arso40]

Too funny but yeah I’m starting to teeter, I think he’s a great player but he can’t show up every game nobody does. Maybe we should spread out the talent.

What talent lol

 

[leafs in five]

Last year leafs were up 1 against Boston.
Marner forechecked, came up with the puck, and fed edmunston in the slot.
If he had converted, they likely win and Marner is a hero.
He didn’t and Marner is a bum.

I think this chance was off the rush, a 3-on-2. Edmo made as good a play with the puck as you can really expect him too. would have been pretty cool if he cashed it tho

 

[Gilmour1996]

Can't draw conclusions based on a regression the last couple of games, especially if his injury status is unknown.

 

[Confucius]

What talent lol

Whatever the GM can get for whatever Marner’s cap hit is. Say it’s 12 (yeck) pickup up 3, 5 million dollar guys. I say 3 because I’m adding the 3 million min salary we gain as well because we have to drop that to make room for the new guys. Brad has to figure it out, if I knew exactly how to go about it I’d be the GM , not posting here. Ok I probably still would post. Which one of you guys is Brad?

 

[arso40]

Whatever the GM can get for whatever Marner’s cap hit is. Say it’s 12 (yeck) pickup up 3, 5 million dollar guys. I say 3 because I’m adding the 3 million min salary we gain as well because we have to drop that to make room for the new guys. Brad has to figure it out, if I knew exactly how to go about it I’d be the GM , not posting here. Ok I probably still would post. Which one of you guys is Brad?

It’s possible

 

[ToneDog]

At least the Leafs didn’t panic sign at the time. Good for them.

They signed Willie in January. Never underestimate the stupidity of MLSEL.