Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Continued

[Martin Skoula]

Acquiring a tier-2 forward by shaking down the bottom would require us to have seven min wagers.

Those tier-2 players are half the price of our forward stars, but those teams only have three stars and not the fourth, so they get two tier-2s instead of one star. Notwithstanding that their stars are cheaper as well to the tune of a whole nother tier-2 player.

The brass tacks is we're missing a middle tier up front for no other reason than the cost of the stars, with the counterpoint being that they can make up for it and then some.

Even if we assume the Tavares discount = the Marner raise on their next contracts, adding a Verhaeghe or Hagel would cost Domi + Kampf + Reaves. And that’s their UFA cost after putting up good seasons in the 3-5 mil range.

Again prior to this game the Kampf/Domi/Reaves group at 7-something mil combined had 0 goals, replacing them with minimum wagers would a sideways move at worst. If Domi picks it up from here that changes the calculus but so far we’ve survived 2 months getting minimum wage production from middle class cap hits.

 

[Gabriel426]

Even if we assume the Tavares discount = the Marner raise on their next contracts, adding a Verhaeghe or Hagel would cost Domi + Kampf + Reaves. And that’s their UFA cost after putting up good seasons in the 3-5 mil range.

Again prior to this game the Kampf/Domi/Reaves group at 7-something mil combined had 0 goals, replacing them with minimum wagers would a sideways move at worst. If Domi picks it up from here that changes the calculus but so far we’ve survived 2 months getting minimum wage production from middle class cap hits.

Honestly, the money from Kampf + Calle for one player is 4.5mil. Thats a pretty solid mid 6 player or ROR.
I don't think the difference between JT and his new contract will be MM.
As I think MM will at most get 1-1.5mil more than his current contract from the Leafs, if Leafs choose to sign him.
Woll new deal is 2.85mil more than his current deal.
McCabe new deal is 2.51mil more than Leafs paying him.
Thats 6.86mil from the JT's current deal, which leave 4.14mil.

Thats 4.14mil plus 4.5mil from trading Kampf and Calle will be use for Knies' new deal and resigning JT(if Leafs choose to). Lets say both Knies and JT can be sign with that amount.

Leafs lineup next season will be exactly the same as they are today plus another player in the 2-4mil range due to the cap increase.

Unless the boys actually do go on a deep run or winning the Cup, I just don't see how we can bring them all back and hope Minten, Cowan and others will dominate to a point where they are performing like a 3-5mil player.

 

[arso40]

Honestly, the money from Kampf + Calle for one player is 4.5mil. Thats a pretty solid mid 6 player or ROR.
I don't think the difference between JT and his new contract will be MM.
As I think MM will at most get 1-1.5mil more than his current contract from the Leafs, if Leafs choose to sign him.
Woll new deal is 2.85mil more than his current deal.
McCabe new deal is 2.51mil more than Leafs paying him.
Thats 6.86mil from the JT's current deal, which leave 4.14mil.

Thats 4.14mil plus 4.5mil from trading Kampf and Calle will be use for Knies' new deal and resigning JT(if Leafs choose to). Lets say both Knies and JT can be sign with that amount.

Leafs lineup next season will be exactly the same as they are today plus another player in the 2-4mil range due to the cap increase.

Unless the boys actually do go on a deep run or winning the Cup, I just don't see how we can bring them all back and hope Minten, Cowan and others will dominate to a point where they are performing like a 3-5mil player.

All three of those kids next year alone changes the cap hit or or atleast offsets it

 

[thewave]

AM is underperformed with Mitch Marner currently. Put MM with JT and give WN a try with AM. Mitch was performing well with JT anyways so what's the freaking issue or is Berube Keefe 2.0

Such BS watching another coach turn into an imbecile here.

 

[hullsy47]

AM is underperformed with Mitch Marner currently. Put MM with JT and give WN a try with AM. Mitch was performing well with JT anyways so what's the freaking issue or is Berube Keefe 2.0

Such BS watching another coach turn into an imbecile here.

i agree looks like a coach letting these guys coach themselves .if the leafs flounder in the playoffs ,next year willbe berubes team

 

[Racer88]

AM is underperformed with Mitch Marner currently. Put MM with JT and give WN a try with AM. Mitch was performing well with JT anyways so what's the freaking issue or is Berube Keefe 2.0

Such BS watching another coach turn into an imbecile here.

I’m not sure if I would want to handcuff Tavares by putting him with Matthews simply because Matthews line mates sole job it to get him the puck thus reducing their own effectiveness

i agree looks like a coach letting these guys coach themselves .if the leafs flounder in the playoffs ,next year willbe berubes team

This core plays the way they want to play and no coach is going to tell them any difference.
When the ring leader Matthews was out the hit ,scratched and clawed out wins They also stood up for one another………….thats all gone the last 5-6 games

 

[Racer88]

AM is underperformed with Mitch Marner currently. Put MM with JT and give WN a try with AM. Mitch was performing well with JT anyways so what's the freaking issue or is Berube Keefe 2.0

Such BS watching another coach turn into an imbecile here.

Sadly we all know who is really running the show. Shanny and the gang of 4

 

[Hallonbroder]

Why do you want to take apart your best line atm and put Marner with Tavares? Isn’t Marner good enough to run his own line? I mean, he’s a 14 mil player according to a lot of peeps here

 

[Funk21]

Tre really got taken to the woodshed by Willies agent but obviously Shanny approved. No reason to expect he will display any more spine with Miitch. If they wouldn't take less than "full value" for a Willie trade. is there any chance Marner goes for nothing? I don't think he is worth 12.5 but they would pay that an I don't think he would sweat them for more. It will get done but it seems like the Dubas era salary cap allocation isn't going to change.

It was stupid not to sign him in the offseason if they were going to. It ended up costing another 2 million per.

Now the difference is Willy was underpaid for the past 3 years.

Marner has been overpaid for the past 6. Personally id like to move on. Unless he is willing to sign for 11.5 which we know will never happen.

Ideally I’d love a big hockey trade with MM being traded for a top RHD. Yes I get that RHD hold more value than RW but that would be the hope.

 

[DarkKnight]

Reading these reports, talk the cap could be up 19.3% in the next two years. You can afford three “big” contracts with that math, you can also stop using out dated numbers like they have anything to do with reality. I mean it’s your world, but it has nothing to do with what agents and GM’s around the league are computing. Things are changing, inflation is real and certain numbers aren’t as egregious as you argued months ago.