Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Continued

[Gary Nylund]

Ah okay, so playoff hockey starts immediately at game 5.

Anything to back this up or did you just make this up to hate on Marner?

I am not sure I've ever seen you use anything but feelings in posts.

And yes, I always use Kucherov because it is an extreme example and no one has pointed out how it is relevant for Marner and not for Kucherov.

You seem upset, take it easy. It's only hockey, not life and death.

Maybe it's all just a big coincidence. But maybe (as many have said) Marner just isn't effective when the games get tighter and he doesn't have time and space to operate and that's why he's only productive for the first few games. It's not that playoffs "starts immediately at game 5", it's that it does take a few games to settle in to playoff style hockey and the first few games of the playoff look more like regular season hockey than games in the 2nd round and so on.

Anything to back this up - I could ask you the same question. Kucherov, that's all you got LOL. And for some reason, game 7 is all that matters, never mind the rest of the playoffs after the first 4 games and all the clutch performances he's had in the playoffs. A whole league full of players, and all you have is Kucherov game7, that should tell you how weak your argument is.

The numbers have been posted many times, But to you they're just feelings eh? LOL.

 

[notbias]

You seem upset, take it easy. It's only hockey, not life and death.

The projection is interesting.

Maybe it's all just a big coincidence. But maybe (as many have said) Marner just isn't effective when the games get tighter and he doesn't have time and space to operate and that's why he's only productive for the first few games. It's not that playoffs "starts immediately at game 5", it's that it does take a few games to settle in to playoff style hockey and the first few games of the playoff look more like regular season hockey than games in the 2nd round and so on.

Anything to back this up - I could ask you the same question. Kucherov, that's all you got LOL. And for some reason, game 7 is all that matters, never mind the rest of the playoffs after the first 4 games and all the clutch performances he's had in the playoffs. A whole league full of players, and all you have is Kucherov game7, that should tell you how weak your argument is.

The numbers have been posted many times, But to you they're just feelings eh? LOL.

Again, only feelings, nothing of substance, you can carry on if you want, but I can't argue against your feelings, no matter how irrational.

 

[Gary Nylund]

The projection is interesting.

Again, only feelings, nothing of substance, you can carry on if you want, but I can't argue against your feelings, no matter how irrational.

LOL feelings. You can live in denial if you like, that's your choice but the numbers are public record. Marner chugs along for the first 4 games of the playoffs at his usual pace, then his production drops off a cliff. Sorry if that hurts your feeling but the facts are what they are.

 

[Metroid]

Marner scores but Matthews skates are too short.
Booo.

 

[Metroid]

I'm convinced he's a dad, and his daughter got rejected by Marner once upon a time...

 

[thewave]

Yeah you can break up the MM AM line anytime now. We have virtually no team success since WN and AM we're split for MM AM to be reunited. They were good for 1.5 games and it's gone.

 

[Lightsol]

Yeah, the goal is to win a Stanley Cup by getting better personnel, not making mandate changes for the sake of change. We have no idea what this team would look like without Mitch or a replacement.

Probably much worse, because then our entire offense would be on the shoulders of two guys who play when they feel like it.

 

[Lightsol]

No one is making excuses, I am questioning how people discuss specific players because it only seems to sometimes apply.

Does someone carry Kucherov to championships?

Better question; how come none of this logic EVER seems to apply to either Matthews or Nylander?

I'm still stunned that the entire Boston series was blamed on Marner when he was the only one of the three amigos to PLAY THE WHOLE DAMNED SERIES...

 

[Anthrax442]

You seem upset, take it easy. It's only hockey, not life and death.

Maybe it's all just a big coincidence. But maybe (as many have said) Marner just isn't effective when the games get tighter and he doesn't have time and space to operate and that's why he's only productive for the first few games. It's not that playoffs "starts immediately at game 5", it's that it does take a few games to settle in to playoff style hockey and the first few games of the playoff look more like regular season hockey than games in the 2nd round and so on.

Anything to back this up - I could ask you the same question. Kucherov, that's all you got LOL. And for some reason, game 7 is all that matters, never mind the rest of the playoffs after the first 4 games and all the clutch performances he's had in the playoffs. A whole league full of players, and all you have is Kucherov game7, that should tell you how weak your argument is.

The numbers have been posted many times, But to you they're just feelings eh? LOL.

Too soft for playoffs

 

[Maple Leaf]

Too soft for playoffs

This time it will work or maybe next year for sure we just need the right supporting cast around these superstars

 

[francis246]

This time it will work or maybe next year for sure we just need the right supporting cast around these superstars

I don't know why you and others downplay the role of depth and support players. Tampa does not win their cups without their 3rd and 4th lines. Same with Chicago (Versteeg, Bickell, Bolland, Hjalmarsson), Los Angeles (Toffoli, Stoll, Justin Williams, Martinez, Pearson), Florida (Rodrigues, Bennett, Lundell, Tarasenko, Ekman-Larsson). You can list out every winner and see how vital of a role the depth players also played.

Yeah the big boys also put up their points but Tampa's , Florida's, Chicago's, Los Angeles, Pittsburghs, whoever you wanna reference's depth lines were out of this world. It has nothing to do with the cap, it has everything to do with they identified the right players to fill those roles, they paid a premium for those types of guys and the rest were drafted and developed. Finding the right supporting cast around the guys is essential to winning the cup. Having your superstars produce at the highest level possible is also essential to winning the cup. The leafs have gotten neither, hence why they have not even sniffed the third round.

 

[Anthrax442]

This time it will work or maybe next year for sure we just need the right supporting cast around these superstars

 

[thewave]

I don't know why you and others downplay the role of depth and support players. Tampa does not win their cups without their 3rd and 4th lines. Same with Chicago (Versteeg, Bickell, Bolland, Hjalmarsson), Los Angeles (Toffoli, Stoll, Justin Williams, Martinez, Pearson), Florida (Rodrigues, Bennett, Lundell, Tarasenko, Ekman-Larsson). You can list out every winner and see how vital of a role the depth players also played.

Yeah the big boys also put up their points but Tampa's , Florida's, Chicago's, Los Angeles, Pittsburghs, whoever you wanna reference's depth lines were out of this world. It has nothing to do with the cap, it has everything to do with they identified the right players to fill those roles, they paid a premium for those types of guys and the rest were drafted and developed. Finding the right supporting cast around the guys is essential to winning the cup. Having your superstars produce at the highest level possible is also essential to winning the cup. The leafs have gotten neither, hence why they have not even sniffed the third round.

It takes cap to get the good depth. If not you have to grow it in house.

Marner was clenching his stick to end the game last night. Maybe a sign of what is to come games 5 6 7 in a 2025 playoff.

MM and AM are not playing well 5v5. They need to get him back with JT.

Liked the @Gary Nylund lines..

KAD
_JM
PMN

 

[Racer88]

I don't know why you and others downplay the role of depth and support players. Tampa does not win their cups without their 3rd and 4th lines. Same with Chicago (Versteeg, Bickell, Bolland, Hjalmarsson), Los Angeles (Toffoli, Stoll, Justin Williams, Martinez, Pearson), Florida (Rodrigues, Bennett, Lundell, Tarasenko, Ekman-Larsson). You can list out every winner and see how vital of a role the depth players also played.

Yeah the big boys also put up their points but Tampa's , Florida's, Chicago's, Los Angeles, Pittsburghs, whoever you wanna reference's depth lines were out of this world. It has nothing to do with the cap, it has everything to do with they identified the right players to fill those roles, they paid a premium for those types of guys and the rest were drafted and developed. Finding the right supporting cast around the guys is essential to winning the cup. Having your superstars produce at the highest level possible is also essential to winning the cup. The leafs have gotten neither, hence why they have not even sniffed the third round.

Do you think maybe all those cup teams that you have mentioned were able to identify those excellent support players and pay for them because they didn’t have 4 forwards taking 50% of the cap.
Yes we have made a few poor choices on supporting players but Dubas was unable to identify and pay for the correct choice’s and now it looks like Tre is going down the same route. The only common denominator is the 4 core forwards and Reilly.