Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Continued

[Suntouchable13]

I get your thought, and I was in favour of letting Marner walk and using his dollars to make us better. But cap is going up, and dang, he is playing so good. Makes it so difficult to decide.

He has always been this good, in the regular season. This is nothing new. We know how good he is. Nobody is denying him that. Carry the team like this in the playoffs and people will love you.

 

[Confucius]

He has always been this good, in the regular season. This is nothing new. We know how good he is. Nobody is denying him that. Carry the team like this in the playoffs and people will love you.

You must be reading a different hfboards

 

[ACC1224]

He has always been this good, in the regular season. This is nothing new. We know how good he is. Nobody is denying him that. Carry the team like this in the playoffs and people will love you.

You must be reading a different hfboards

Was going to say pretty much the same thing.

 

[thewave]

He has always been this good, in the regular season. This is nothing new. We know how good he is. Nobody is denying him that. Carry the team like this in the playoffs and people will love you.

Yeah that's the point. We are beyond talent and money for contracts at this point. It's really down to WINNING.

Must win, no excuses anymore. Everyone of the players promised to deliver us from this Cup hell are paid or about to. Need results.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

With the cap increasing in the next few years I think it's important we resign Mitch. If Tavares can take a 4 to 5 mill contract on the short term we should have enough space to address the 2c slot next season.

 

[thusk]

Goaltending is not defense. Goaltending is goaltending. It is a different position entirely. Treliving has had more cap space and just as many assets. The difference?
Instead of taking over a bad defensive team and making it good, he took over a good defensive team and made it bad. Instead of spending his forward budget on a 1C and his defensive budget on a top pairing defenseman to fill organizational weaknesses, he spent his budgets on overpaying poor mid-tier player choices, chasing unnecessary snot, and wasting a prime year. Thank god he's been able to pivot and fix some of what he screwed up. Next task is making sure to not screw up the Marner signing, and get him locked up ASAP, as losing him would be a much more significant mistake.

1-Cap space maybe, asset no...When Dubas step in all the asset he had:
all leafs pick
Prospect / young pool : brown, dermott, kapanen, johnsson, liljegren, bracco, korshkov and

Treliving 2004 1st pick ,

no 2nd, no 3rd in 2024 and no 1st and second pick in 2025

prospect / young pool : Knies, minten, niemela

So to get a D with term, that would probably cost Knies because it was 1 of only value thing ( for a top 4 D) leafs had with a 1st pick and probably what every team would asking for

2-14% of leafs Line up in D was atreliving guy Klinberg and later Benoit who replaced Holl. The rest was exactly the same than the previous season...Please don't tell me Tre made leafs goes from great D to bad D group, it was the SAME!!!!!!

3- amount best name on market last season, outside of Orlov, Holl/ Schenn /Klinberg was all amount best D availablw. Sorry its not with those kind of player you build a D...

No quality D available on free agent market, no value to give outside of Knies, Minten and a 1st pick and a good chance he kept Knies.

 

[MapleLeafs77]

You do not sign marner until after playoffs. Its not like he will give you a discount now before playoffs anyways. Plus we have all seen this before with him.

Can you imagine if they resign him now for 13 mill and then once again we lose in 1st round and he pulls his playoff disappearance act?

 

[ULF_55]

What's funny was marner leaving the zone early for the breakaway goal, and Nylander playing physical defending in his own zone for his breakaway goal.

Learning from each other.

 

[ACC1224]

He's been really selfish with Matthews out, padding meaningless points instead of allowing others to score.

What's funny was marner leaving the zone early for the breakaway goal, and Nylander playing physical defending in his own zone for his breakaway goal.

Learning from each other.

Nylander made a few excellent plays defensively last night, played with a little more aggression.
Loving the evolution of his game, hopefully he can keep it up.

 

[ULF_55]

He's been really selfish with Matthews out, padding meaningless points instead of allowing others to score.


Nylander made a few excellent plays defensively last night, played with a little more aggression.
Loving the evolution of his game, hopefully he can keep it up.

It will be interesting to see how the lines change when Matthews comes back.

Matthews getting his own line would make sense.

They already have 2 of the best forwards on effective lines, why break up what is working.

 

[ACC1224]

It will be interesting to see how the lines change when Matthews comes back.

Matthews getting his own line would make sense.

They already have 2 of the best forwards on effective lines, why break up what is working.

I can't imagine they will split Tavares and Marner up, they'll need to continue to carry the team.
Matthews will be saddled with Domi for a bit I would think.

They'll put the gang altogether for the PP though..

 

[arso40]

What's funny was marner leaving the zone early for the breakaway goal, and Nylander playing physical defending in his own zone for his breakaway goal.

Learning from each other.

I don’t think marner ever been considered physical lol other than that taking a page out of each others book for sure though

 

[Mess]

It will be interesting to see how the lines change when Matthews comes back.

Matthews getting his own line would make sense.

They already have 2 of the best forwards on effective lines, why break up what is working.

Marner

1 goal 11 assists in 11 games in October playing with Matthews.

However WITHOUT Matthews Marner has really stepped up his game with 6 goals in his last 8 games with AM out.

A tale of 2 Marners who playing alongside JT has filled a void, and as you say it appears playing Marner with AM reduces his effectiveness where he chooses to pass instead of shot and score goals himself.

 

[arso40]

I can't imagine they will split Tavares and Marner up, they'll need to continue to carry the team.
Matthews will be saddled with Domi for a bit I would think.

They'll put the gang altogether for the P though..

Woulda thought marners 14 in 8 and jt 9 in 8 was blowing Nylander’s 11 in 8 out of the water ps where have you been my friend @Antropovsky it’s been too quiet around here I’m just playing they’ve carried quite a load without the captain

 

[francis246]

Woulda thought marners 14 in 8 and jt 9 in 8 was blowing Nylander’s 11 in 8 out of the water ps where have you been my friend @Antropovsky it’s been too quiet around here I’m just playing they’ve carried quite a load without the captain

My guy has been MIA. There hasn’t been shit to complain about. Marner got a 5 v 5 goal, and a PP goal. Team has won what? 6 straight? He knows he wouldn’t be able to gather the pitch fork crew after last nights game.

 

[francis246]

With the cap increasing in the next few years I think it's important we resign Mitch. If Tavares can take a 4 to 5 mill contract on the short term we should have enough space to address the 2c slot next season.

I think this team is another center and solid defenseman away from being a real cup contender. We need a center with speed and scoring ability. Do people like Scott Laughton? Or maybe Boone Jenner?

 

[arso40]

My guy has been MIA. There hasn’t been shit to complain about. Marner got a 5 v 5 goal, and a PP goal. Team has won what? 6 straight? He knows he wouldn’t be able to gather the pitch fork crew after last nights game.

Agreed I’ve seen my friend around just haven’t seen him in here

 

[francis246]

Agreed I’ve seen my friend around just haven’t seen him in here

I do think though, we should enjoy it now but also not get too carried away. I’m very nervous for Matthews to come back. I don’t want the team and players to revert back to old habits. I honestly feel like if this hasn’t shown everyone that the team kind of follows Matthews demeanour then I’m not sure you’re paying attention.

For long we’ve believed that Marner is the one who is the driver of the team playing the way everyone hates. But it’s getting harder to ignore 34 might be the problem in terms of the team having trouble adjusting to a specific style of play… I know we don’t want to talk about it, but I’ve been thinking about it a lot. Why are we a more effective team when he’s out? Its kinda crazy.

 

[ULF_55]

I don’t think marner ever been considered physical lol other than that taking a page out of each others book for sure though

True, it was more offense from defense.

marner's physical play was more a jest.

 

[ULF_55]

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Discussing posters is not permitted.

 

[arso40]

I do think though, we should enjoy it now but also not get too carried away. I’m very nervous for Matthews to come back. I don’t want the team and players to revert back to old habits. I honestly feel like if this hasn’t shown everyone that the team kind of follows Matthews demeanour then I’m not sure you’re paying attention.

For long we’ve believed that Marner is the one who is the driver of the team playing the way everyone hates. But it’s getting harder to ignore 34 might be the problem in terms of the team having trouble adjusting to a specific style of play… I know we don’t want to talk about it, but I’ve been thinking about it a lot. Why are we a more effective team when he’s out? Its kinda crazy.

Other than everyone seemingly playing better Marner plays different that’s maybe one of the reasons people single him out cause when he’s not playing with the captain he plays more like he’s been wanting to a couple years bacc shoots more harder to read he plays a little more kanish which makes us more dangerous rather than just being a passenger looking to win Matty the Richard

 

[Fogelhund]

Marner without Matthews has been an elite player. Maybe he relies on Matthews too much, or defers to him, given his shooting prowess. I hope they aren't put together again 5v5 ... they absolutely can carry their own line, as we are seeing now.

There is always that asterisk, yes.. but playoffs... but we are headed in a positive direction... let's hope Berube can keep them learning, and headed in that direction... there is no room for error, or letting up.

 

[arso40]

True, it was more offense from defense.

marner's physical play was more a jest.

I got it I was just teasing my friends

 

[Dekes For Days]

1-Cap space maybe, asset no...When Dubas step in all the asset he had: all leafs pick Prospect / young pool : brown, dermott, kapanen, johnsson, liljegren, bracco, korshkov and
Treliving 2004 1st pick no 2nd, no 3rd in 2024 and no 1st and second pick in 2025 prospect / young pool : Knies, minten, niemela So to get a D with term, that would probably cost Knies because it was 1 of only value thing ( for a top 4 D) leafs had with a 1st pick and probably what every team would asking for 2-14% of leafs Line up in D was atreliving guy Klinberg and later Benoit who replaced Holl. The rest was exactly the same than the previous season...Please don't tell me Tre made leafs goes from great D to bad D group, it was the SAME!!!!!! 3- amount best name on market last season, outside of Orlov, Holl/ Schenn /Klinberg was all amount best D availablw. Sorry its not with those kind of player you build a D...
No quality D available on free agent market, no value to give outside of Knies, Minten and a 1st pick and a good chance he kept Knies.

You're naming NHL roster players and D level prospects in 2018 and yet missing the majority of our pool in 2023. Our pool was not in a good place in 2018. Treliving had plenty of cap space and assets and options (that wouldn't cost Knies) last year to maintain our defensive results, but tanked it by making all the wrong choices. Defense should have been a priority last year, with aging players and losses to injury, trade, and free agency, and yet his big solution was to add a couple of the defensively worst defensemen in the league, replace good defensive forwards with some of the defensively worst forwards in the league, insert rookies, forget about PKers, and then make a misguided overcorrection at the deadline to kill our transition. That's on him. But we're back to a good defensive team again, so now I'm focused on Marner getting signed. We're not going to agree on this, so let's get back to that.