Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Continued

[francis246]

Marner has 9 points 5 on 5, 2 goals 7 assists, Curiously Connor McDavid also has 9, 5 on 5 points, 3 goals 6 assists
I guess they are in the same 5 on 5 boat. Pastranuk has 9 points both tkachuks have 9 points, Barkov has 9. Just a boatload of guys with 9

Plenty of big name players not doing much better really
Mackinnon 11 points 1 and 10
Draisaityl 11 points

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Cue the excuses from Antro in 5, 4, 3, 2…

 

[Confucius]

I’m holding out hope Marner is gonna look to buy some good will from the fans. Something under 12. Maybe 11.85? I’m not sure what the walk away number is for the leafs but they have to hammer home the legacy vs getting paid. Does Marner still care to be the highest paid or is he serious about winning in Toronto? I just hope he has some good people telling him to be the one to break the cycle and take a win-win contract. Honestly if he were to do that I think he’d buy a ton of good will.

If he values family he’ll take less to stay here. I retired early so I had plenty of time to hangout with the grandkids before they started school. Still put a high value on seeing them weekends, P A days and the odd weeknight. I wouldn’t have those memories if I was off working in another city.

 

[francis246]

Rantanen was an RFA on his last contract just like Marner. Somehow Rantanen had no leverage but Marner did.

Rantanen still got a massive RFA contract. He’s already made more money than MacKinnon career wise. Sure he didn’t get Marner money. Was about a million in change less. Good for Sakic for keeping him under 10. Not sure what that has to do with them going into UFA years. It’s not the same situation this time around. Especially given Rantanen’s asking price has been leaked, it’s at minimum 12.6. I highly doubt if Marner was signed, Rantanen signs for less, I don’t think Rantanen sees Marner as a comparable tbh.

 

[Divine]

Rantanen still got a massive RFA contract. He’s already made more money than MacKinnon career wise. Sure he didn’t get Marner money. Was about a million in change less. Good for Sakic for keeping him under 10. Not sure what that has to do with them going into UFA years. It’s not the same situation this time around. Especially given Rantanen’s asking price has been leaked, it’s at minimum 12.6. I highly doubt if Marner was signed, Rantanen signs for less, I don’t think Rantanen sees Marner as a comparable tbh.

Marner is also asking for the same. I don't get why people here think Marner's starting negotiations at less than 13M. He held out for 10.9M as an RFA on a lower cap.

I would pay Rantanen 12.6M over Marner 12M.

 

[francis246]

Marner is also asking for the same. I don't think why people here think Marner's starting negotiations at less than 13M.

He held out for 10.9M as an RFA.

The reason why I don’t believe that is because of something that was reported and even reiterated by Marner and Brad this time around. They want to keep the negotiations private and he’s willing to negotiate during the season. That tells me, he’s probably learned his lesson from last time and honestly I believe him that he’s desperate to stay in Toronto. I don’t think he’s looking to run away with the bag this time. I think there were factors that influenced that contract negotiation the last time (it seems like
He and his family were upset about a lot of shit that happened behind the scenes in the ELC years) and those factors aren’t in play this time around imo.

I’m predicting an 11.85 AAV on a 4 or 5 year extension and he cashes in an a retirement deal after the new CBA

 

[Confucius]

The reason why I don’t believe that is because of something that was reported and even reiterated by Marner and Brad this time around. They want to keep the negotiations private and he’s willing to negotiate during the season. That tells me, he’s probably learned his lesson from last time and honestly I believe him that he’s desperate to stay in Toronto. I don’t think he’s looking to run away with the bag this time. I think there were factors that influenced that contract negotiation the last time (it seems like
He and his family were upset about a lot of shit that happened behind the scenes in the ELC years) and those factors aren’t in play this time around imo.

I’m predicting an 11.85 AAV on a 4 or 5 year extension and he cashes in an a retirement deal after the new CBA

Difference this time he has banked 75 million and he is getting at least that much more on the next deal anyway. It can’t still be about the cash.

 

[Antropovsky]

Whatever it is it better be 11.5 or lower and it better be 8 years.

No more of this Marleau-like maximize on cap growth like Matthews is doing and Marner tried to do last contract. Bugs me that Matthews does it too.

Brings into question how much heart these guys will play with considering the risk that a serious injury could cost them millions.

And what about NMC? We all know that even if he gets the Larry Murphy treatment, he wont waive.

What if he has another bad playoffs?

So many question for Tree to consider.

 

[Confucius]

Whatever it is it better be 11.5 or lower and it better be 8 years.

No more of this Marleau-like maximize on cap growth like Matthews is doing and Marner tried to do last contract. Bugs me that Matthews does it too.

Brings into question how much heart these guys will play with considering the risk that a serious injury could cost them millions.

And what about NMC? We all know that even if he gets the Larry Murphy treatment, he wont waive.

What if he has another bad playoffs?

So many question for Tree to consider.

Too funny, I wouldn’t give him more than 11, I’m serious. If we retain him at more than that I will be whining. lol!

 

[notdoneyet]

Marner is also asking for the same. I don't get why people here think Marner's starting negotiations at less than 13M. He held out for 10.9M as an RFA on a lower cap.

I would pay Rantanen 12.6M over Marner 12M.

I love how marner haters try to spin this marner held our narrative. Marner and his agent negotiated a contract with the team. He didn’t miss training camp, he didn’t miss and regular season games only nylander did that.

You shouldn’t try to use held out as an argument because it’s just made up garbage

 

[notdoneyet]

Cue the excuses from Antro in 5, 4, 3, 2…

I can think of two off the top of my head

1. It’s not the playoffs
2. Some are secondary points

 

[Divine]

I love how marner haters try to spin this marner held our narrative. Marner and his agent negotiated a contract with the team. He didn’t miss training camp, he didn’t miss and regular season games only nylander did that.

You shouldn’t try to use held out as an argument because it’s just made up garbage

What's the revisionist history here? He missed the medicals, media day and flew in after the team for training camp. Held out is fair.

Let me refresh your memory:

Mitch Marner, Maple Leafs building wall around critical contract year

As training camp opened on the dazzling playmaker's ninth pro season but first as an impending unrestricted free agent, Mitch Marner — with full support from the Toronto Maple Leafs— is erecting a barrier.

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Marner's agent is Darren Ferris, who has a reputation for encouraging his high-end clients to play things out and push for maximum value. That tact was ridiculously successful when Marner came due as an RFA in 2019. Ferris allowed Marner to miss a few days of camp while he negotiated a whopper ($10.9 million AAV) compared to peers Mikko Rantanen ($9.25 million) and Brayden Point ($9.5 million).

Maple Leafs' Mitch Marner A No-Show After Reports Surface He Turned Down $11 Million A Season

The report surfaced a day before the Toronto Maple Leafs were to report for medicals, meet the media and then fly to St. John's, Newfoundland, for the start of training camp for the NHL season.

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Toronto Maple Leafs' restricted free agent Mitch Marner was a no-show on Thursday as the NHL club conducted medicals and met with the media before flying to St. John's, Newfoundland, for the start of training camp.

 

[Tie Domi Esquire]

What's the revisionist history here? He missed the medicals, media day and flew in after the team for training camp. Held out is fair.

Let me refresh your memory:

Mitch Marner, Maple Leafs building wall around critical contract year

As training camp opened on the dazzling playmaker's ninth pro season but first as an impending unrestricted free agent, Mitch Marner — with full support from the Toronto Maple Leafs— is erecting a barrier.

www.sportsnet.ca

Maple Leafs' Mitch Marner A No-Show After Reports Surface He Turned Down $11 Million A Season

The report surfaced a day before the Toronto Maple Leafs were to report for medicals, meet the media and then fly to St. John's, Newfoundland, for the start of training camp for the NHL season.

www.forbes.com

They should've decided to immediately overpay him like Matthews. Then he wouldn't have to hold out.

 

[Divine]

They should've decided to immediately overpay him like Matthews. Then he wouldn't have to hold out.

The reason he didn't miss games is because they did overpay him. You think he would have agreed to the Nylander/Point/Rantanen contracts?

 

[notdoneyet]

What's the revisionist history here? He missed the medicals, media day and flew in after the team for training camp. Held out is fair.

Let me refresh your memory:

Mitch Marner, Maple Leafs building wall around critical contract year

As training camp opened on the dazzling playmaker's ninth pro season but first as an impending unrestricted free agent, Mitch Marner — with full support from the Toronto Maple Leafs— is erecting a barrier.

www.sportsnet.ca

Maple Leafs' Mitch Marner A No-Show After Reports Surface He Turned Down $11 Million A Season

The report surfaced a day before the Toronto Maple Leafs were to report for medicals, meet the media and then fly to St. John's, Newfoundland, for the start of training camp for the NHL season.

www.forbes.com

Are you trying to say he held out because he skipped media day and weigh in lol

He didn’t miss one minute of scrimmages or exhibition games.

I think it’s funny that nylander fans try to undermine marner at every turn. Nylander is the only leaf to miss preseason scrimmages and games. Also missed two months of the season and came back so out of shape he only had I thing 27 points that year.

Marner has never held out.

 

[Divine]

Are you trying to say he held out because he skipped media day and weigh in lol

He didn’t miss one minute of scrimmages or exhibition games.

I think it’s funny that nylander fans try to undermine marner at every turn. Nylander is the only leaf to miss preseason scrimmages and games. Also missed two months of the season and came back so out of shape he only had I thing 27 points that year.

Marner has never held out.

Yes, we have different definitions of held out. When a player misses teams scheduled events, like medicals, it's a hold out.

Nylander also held out. I never understood why the team took such a hard stand with Nylander and then gave Matthews and Marner those contracts. They should have took the same stand they did on Nylander with Matthews or more realistically, Marner.

Nylander held out but the team was forcing him to sign (and he eventually did) a fair contract. Water under the bridge. Marner and Matthews took the team for every dime and some of the greatest RFA contracts of all time.

 

[ACC1224]

I love how marner haters try to spin this marner held our narrative. Marner and his agent negotiated a contract with the team. He didn’t miss training camp, he didn’t miss and regular season games only nylander did that.

You shouldn’t try to use held out as an argument because it’s just made up garbage

They obviously confuse Marner with Nylander. You can add it to the large pile of made up garbage

 

[Tie Domi Esquire]

The reason he didn't miss games is because they did overpay him. You think he would have agreed to the Nylander/Point/Rantanen contracts?

He signed as soon as they gave him an overpay like Matthews

 

[Divine]

He signed as soon as they gave him an overpay like Matthews

That's the problem.

Why the hard stance on Nylander to fold to those 2?

Matthews had 'credible rumours' of an Arizona offersheet - so okay, I guess. Marner was held out all summer just to give him that? Made no sense. Should have let him sit the year.

 

[Smif]

I’m holding out hope Marner is gonna look to buy some good will from the fans. Something under 12. Maybe 11.85? I’m not sure what the walk away number is for the leafs but they have to hammer home the legacy vs getting paid. Does Marner still care to be the highest paid or is he serious about winning in Toronto? I just hope he has some good people telling him to be the one to break the cycle and take a win-win contract. Honestly if he were to do that I think he’d buy a ton of good will.

$11.93M

 

[arso40]

Kyper keeps suggesting they give Marner a shot at C. Domi clearly is better winger than a C but with Matty out, they play him at C and not Marner or Nylander.

When he was playing with marner Marner was playing low in the dzone so he played the Center roll minus faceoffs

 

[Tie Domi Esquire]

That's the problem.

Why the hard stance on Nylander to fold to those 2?

Matthews had 'credible rumours' of an Arizona offersheet - so okay, I guess. Marner was held out all summer just to give him that? Made no sense. Should have let him sit the year.

They didn't take a hard stance on Nylander. He got overpaid too. And he came back with an inflated cap hit in year 1 that they couldn't do again because of awful managing of the team. If Marner and Matthews weren't signed before game 1, they were going to miss the entire year.

 

[Divine]

They didn't take a hard stance on Nylander. He got overpaid too. And he came back with an inflated cap hit in year 1 that they couldn't do again because of awful managing of the team. If Marner and Matthews weren't signed before game 1, they were going to miss the entire year.

6.9M for 5 years was a decent contract for Nylander.

Friedman reported that his sources and people he spoke to around the league indicated that Arizona was going to offer Matthews a 7 year/16M (or whatever the max was) contract. So Matthews really had all the leverage.

Marner on the otherhand was waiting to get offersheeted all summer so I don't get why they had to sign him to that. Let him miss the season.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Marner has 9 points 5 on 5, 2 goals 7 assists, Curiously Connor McDavid also has 9, 5 on 5 points, 3 goals 6 assists
I guess they are in the same 5 on 5 boat. Pastranuk has 9 points both tkachuks have 9 points, Barkov has 9. Just a boatload of guys with 9

Plenty of big name players not doing much better really
Mackinnon 11 points 1 and 10
Draisaityl 11 points

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Another way to look at that is his 9 5on5 points puts him in a 27-way tie for 59th in the league, despite the fact that he has played more games than 70% of the players with as many or more. Among those 85 players he's 77th in per60.

He's also third on the Leafs (4th by per60).

The good news is that his 2 goals isn't the worst - there are 8 players with just 1 goal, only 3 of which are D.

 

[Willchel Marlynder]

That OT goal was so nasty. The thought of passing to JT never crossed his mind. He was going to end it right there with a filthy shot.

 

[Lightsol]

Too funny, I wouldn’t give him more than 11, I’m serious. If we retain him at more than that I will be whining. lol!

It might have been possible to get him at 11 or less... Except Brad handed Nylander 11.5. That ship has sailed.

I think it’s funny that nylander fans try to undermine marner at every turn. Nylander is the only leaf to miss preseason scrimmages and games. Also missed two months of the season and came back so out of shape he only had I thing 27 points that year.

And let us not forget; Mr. "Shows up for the playoffs" missed half the series last year with an injury that was never disclosed and didn't stop him from playing every game to the end of the season to try and chase 100 points...