Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Continued

thusk

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Agreed, im seeing a rejuvinated Tavares turning back the clock this year (I always said Tavares was suffering in Keefes system).

As I said previously, Marner just ping pongs between Matthews and Tavares. He was tried without Tavares, while Matthews was hurt and he looked very bad.

Marner is working hard, but I still dont see a goal generator offensively. I see his linemates hitting and going to dirty areas, while Marner is still stick lifting and avoiding contact. Goal 1 was a team effort but hard not to give McMann and Tavares the chunk of the credit. Once playoffs roll around his soft play will stand out and look worse because the physical play is increased.

Giving all credit to mcmann and jt on 1st goal... haha... If marner is not there in the slot ( a dirty area) to put pressure on mcdavid and stole him the puck... Mcdavid would just skate with the puck pretty easily and absolutly nothing would hapoen. 1st mcmann goal happening with Marner forecheck on mcdavid and second effort to be 1st on puck to push the puck to tavares. and yes it was a team work like basically 80-90% of goal scored

You can't hoping to marner playing like knies in the corner, even player like patrick Kane, Patrice Bergeron, Sidney Crosby and whatever didn't... But you can hope to see him battling for the puck and that's exactly what he did on mcmann goal and what he did all year long...and if he still playing the same exact way in playoff, yes that will still worj because he compete pretty hard right now. Basically Everyone are actually able to see it... except you.
 

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Giving all credit to mcmann and jt on 1st goal... haha... If marner is not there in the slot ( a dirty area) to put pressure on mcdavid and stole him the puck... Mcdavid would just skate with the puck pretty easily and absolutly nothing would hapoen. 1st mcmann goal happening with Marner forecheck on mcdavid and second effort to be 1st on puck to push the puck to tavares. and yes it was a team work like basically 80-90% of goal scored

You can't hoping to marner playing like knies in the corner, even player like patrick Kane, Patrice Bergeron, Sidney Crosby and whatever didn't... But you can hope to see him battling for the puck and that's exactly what he did on mcmann goal and what he did all year long...and if he still playing the same exact way in playoff, yes that will still worj because he compete pretty hard right now. Basically Everyone are actually able to see it... except you.
Yes… first, McMann dumps the puck in with speed and crushes the defender on the forecheck. Tavares keeps up with McMann the entire way, forechecks hard, gets hit from behind, and falls but in doing so, he breaks the puck loose. It squirts free to McDavid, and Marner softly swirls in, swipes at it, misses, and then blindly swipes again as he’s falling. On the second attempt, he makes contact. The puck goes to the net, where Tavares—who had quickly gotten back to his feet and bulled his way to the crease—picks it up. Tavares, using his great hands, he puts it on net, and McMann, also battling his way to the crease, finishes the play and scores.

Marner? Whoop, whoop. Comes in late, makes zero physical contact, softly swipes at the puck, and misses on the first attempt. Thankfully, no one was in position to receive the pass anyway. On the second blind swipe, he connects.

The more I watch, the more impressed I am with the "dog on a bone" mentality from Tavares and McMann. Most of the credit absolutely belongs to those two. Tavares looks like a man possessed, obviously motivated by the thought of earning another contract.

I've said this many times about 5v5 Marner: if you believe Marner should just get to float around while his linemates physically battle for the puck, waiting for their hard work to pay off so he can swoop in and make a play, then sure, by all means, re-sign him. But this pattern has been evident in the playoffs too. Matthews does all the heavy lifting, yet their production is still underwhelming in the postseason. Maybe this "wait for the teammate to do all the work" approach doesn’t hold up in playoff hockey.

Marner has just one 5v5 shot in his last six games and just three primary 5v5 assists all year, none of which were spontaneous. Two came from set plays (one called by Matthews), and the third was just a clearing attempt from hisnown zone. Marner currently is 120
3rd in 5v5 points per 60 for players with more than 120 mins.
 

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Yes… first, McMann dumps the puck in with speed and crushes the defender on the forecheck. Tavares keeps up with McMann the entire way, forechecks hard, gets hit from behind, and falls but in doing so, he breaks the puck loose. It squirts free to McDavid, and Marner softly swirls in, swipes at it, misses, and then blindly swipes again as he’s falling. On the second attempt, he makes contact. The puck goes to the net, where Tavares—who had quickly gotten back to his feet and bulled his way to the crease—picks it up. Tavares, using his great hands, he puts it on net, and McMann, also battling his way to the crease, finishes the play and scores.

Marner? Whoop, whoop. Comes in late, makes zero physical contact, softly swipes at the puck, and misses on the first attempt. Thankfully, no one was in position to receive the pass anyway. On the second blind swipe, he connects.

The more I watch, the more impressed I am with the "dog on a bone" mentality from Tavares and McMann. Most of the credit absolutely belongs to those two. Tavares looks like a man possessed, obviously motivated by the thought of earning another contract.

I've said this many times about 5v5 Marner: if you believe Marner should just get to float around while his linemates physically battle for the puck, waiting for their hard work to pay off so he can swoop in and make a play, then sure, by all means, re-sign him. But this pattern has been evident in the playoffs too. Matthews does all the heavy lifting, yet their production is still underwhelming in the postseason. Maybe this "wait for the teammate to do all the work" approach doesn’t hold up in playoff hockey.

Marner has just one 5v5 shot in his last six games and just three primary 5v5 assists all year, none of which were spontaneous. Two came from set plays (one called by Matthews), and the third was just a clearing attempt from hisnown zone. Marner currently is 120
3rd in 5v5 points per 60 for players with more than 120 mins.
 

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Yes… first, McMann dumps the puck in with speed and crushes the defender on the forecheck. Tavares keeps up with McMann the entire way, forechecks hard, gets hit from behind, and falls but in doing so, he breaks the puck loose. It squirts free to McDavid, and Marner softly swirls in, swipes at it, misses, and then blindly swipes again as he’s falling. On the second attempt, he makes contact. The puck goes to the net, where Tavares—who had quickly gotten back to his feet and bulled his way to the crease—picks it up. Tavares, using his great hands, he puts it on net, and McMann, also battling his way to the crease, finishes the play and scores.

Marner? Whoop, whoop. Comes in late, makes zero physical contact, softly swipes at the puck, and misses on the first attempt. Thankfully, no one was in position to receive the pass anyway. On the second blind swipe, he connects.

The more I watch, the more impressed I am with the "dog on a bone" mentality from Tavares and McMann. Most of the credit absolutely belongs to those two. Tavares looks like a man possessed, obviously motivated by the thought of earning another contract.

I've said this many times about 5v5 Marner: if you believe Marner should just get to float around while his linemates physically battle for the puck, waiting for their hard work to pay off so he can swoop in and make a play, then sure, by all means, re-sign him. But this pattern has been evident in the playoffs too. Matthews does all the heavy lifting, yet their production is still underwhelming in the postseason. Maybe this "wait for the teammate to do all the work" approach doesn’t hold up in playoff hockey.

Marner has just one 5v5 shot in his last six games and just three primary 5v5 assists all year, none of which were spontaneous. Two came from set plays (one called by Matthews), and the third was just a clearing attempt from hisnown zone. Marner currently is 120
3rd in 5v5 points per 60 for players with more than 120 mins.

Do you think mcdavid, crosby, bergeron and all those kind of player going for big contact and whatever? In wich world are you living seriously?!?!?! If they try to separate opponent from the puck, they will miss it. They using their IQ to be at right position, using their stick nd battling... exactly like marner. That should mean crosby is soft because hes not initiate contact, using his stick and his IQ?!?!

mackinnon Only having 1 5v5 goal and 5 primary assist mac this season at 5v5, who'scare? hes totally carrying the avs offensive right now

last 6 game marner was producing at a rate of 55 goal and 137 pts, who's care how he got it? he's make leafs win, that's whats really matter...
 
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That's not a fact. McDavid got 12.5m with a career high of 30 goals.
And when you don't weirdly use absolute cap numbers...
Crosby, Richards, Tavares, Thornton, Spezza, Drury, Panarin, Forsberg, Gomez, Datsyuk, Kane, Toews, Kopitar, etc.

He hit 40 goals before ever making 12.5M. His contract was signed after 120 NHL games, but he hit 41 goals on his ELC.

Let’s see if Marner wins the Art Ross and Hart this year like McDavid did in his second year.
 

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Yes… first, McMann dumps the puck in with speed and crushes the defender on the forecheck. Tavares keeps up with McMann the entire way, forechecks hard, gets hit from behind, and falls but in doing so, he breaks the puck loose. It squirts free to McDavid, and Marner softly swirls in, swipes at it, misses, and then blindly swipes again as he’s falling. On the second attempt, he makes contact. The puck goes to the net, where Tavares—who had quickly gotten back to his feet and bulled his way to the crease—picks it up. Tavares, using his great hands, he puts it on net, and McMann, also battling his way to the crease, finishes the play and scores.

Marner? Whoop, whoop. Comes in late, makes zero physical contact, softly swipes at the puck, and misses on the first attempt. Thankfully, no one was in position to receive the pass anyway. On the second blind swipe, he connects.

The more I watch, the more impressed I am with the "dog on a bone" mentality from Tavares and McMann. Most of the credit absolutely belongs to those two. Tavares looks like a man possessed, obviously motivated by the thought of earning another contract.

I've said this many times about 5v5 Marner: if you believe Marner should just get to float around while his linemates physically battle for the puck, waiting for their hard work to pay off so he can swoop in and make a play, then sure, by all means, re-sign him. But this pattern has been evident in the playoffs too. Matthews does all the heavy lifting, yet their production is still underwhelming in the postseason. Maybe this "wait for the teammate to do all the work" approach doesn’t hold up in playoff hockey.

Marner has just one 5v5 shot in his last six games and just three primary 5v5 assists all year, none of which were spontaneous. Two came from set plays (one called by Matthews), and the third was just a clearing attempt from hisnown zone. Marner currently is 120
3rd in 5v5 points per 60 for players with more than 120 mins.
Laughable, absolutely laughable analysis. I honestly don't know how you keep going when literally everyone else is applauding his performance. Even those who don't want to re-sign him are acknowledging how well he's playing right now.
 

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Laughable, absolutely laughable analysis. I honestly don't know how you keep going when literally everyone else is applauding his performance. Even those who don't want to re-sign him are acknowledging how well he's playing right now.
Whats your analysis then? Scared to give it? Very excited to get yours, considering you called mine laughable.
 

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Whats your analysis then? Scared to give it? Very excited to get yours, considering you called mine laughable.
Everyone with eyes knows Marner purposely passed that to Tavares, a beautiful secondary assist. How you down play it with "softly comes in and whoop whoop, accidentally hits it in that direction" is pretty much the dumbest observation of reality I've ever seen. Everything you say at this point is laughable.
 

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Everyone with eyes knows Marner purposely passed that to Tavares, a beautiful secondary assist. How you down play it with "softly comes in and whoop whoop, accidentally hits it in that direction" is pretty much the dumbest observation of reality I've ever seen. Everything you say at this point is laughable.


he forgot...Being in a dirty area on forechecking wqs an accident... He was looking for the bench but he got lost in the slot, and he actually tried to make pass to Stolarz but his pass going in the wrong direction ( an other mistakr)
 

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Everyone with eyes knows Marner purposely passed that to Tavares, a beautiful secondary assist. How you down play it with "softly comes in and whoop whoop, accidentally hits it in that direction" is pretty much the dumbest observation of reality I've ever seen. Everything you say at this point is laughable.
So you call it a absolutely laughable analysis...but only disagree that you think one of his swipes at the Mcdavid puck was an intentional pass?

lol

Before talking about that pass. I want to hear more on your analysis.

Who was the play driver on that goal. Do you think it was Marner?
 
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he forgot...Being in a dirty area on forechecking wqs an accident... He was looking for the bench but he got lost in the slot, and he actually tried to make pass to Stolarz but his pass going in the wrong direction ( an other mistakr)

I thought it was actually a very selfish pass to make at that point. He pretty much knew it would result in a cheap secondary assist to pad his stats. He should have shown class by dumping the puck into the corner and hope someone else could pick up an assist.
 
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I thought it was actually a very selfish pass to make at that point. He pretty much knew it would result in a cheap secondary assist to pad his stats. He should have shown class by dumping the puck into the corner and hope someone else could pick up an assist.
he forgot...Being in a dirty area on forechecking wqs an accident... He was looking for the bench but he got lost in the slot, and he actually tried to make pass to Stolarz but his pass going in the wrong direction ( an other mistakr)
People who can’t win with reason resort to sarcasm. Easier to be sarcastic than explain how Marner’s impact on that goal surpassed his linemates, right? Because it didn’t.

Tavares was outstanding. McMann wasn’t far behind. Marner was good, but the other two were clearly more important.
 

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People who can’t win with reason resort to sarcasm. Easier to be sarcastic than explain how Marner’s impact on that goal surpassed his linemates, right? Because it didn’t.

Tavares was outstanding. McMann wasn’t far behind. Marner was good, but the other two were clearly more important.

Tell me you didn't watch the play without telling me you did not watch the play

here it is for you since you clearly did not watch



lol your comments remind me when Global had Leaf games they would not acknowledge Sundin for a few years. So when he would score a goal they were like What a pass from Gikmour or if Sundin made a pass they were like Wow! What a pass from Gilmour

lol found one example online,

hilarious


 
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Tell me you didn't watch the play without telling me you did not watch the play

here it is for you since you clearly did not watch

Why is it so hard for Marner fans to explain their take on the play and how mine is apparently wrong? Instead of giving their take on the play, they put energy into sarcastic posts.

It’s clearly because deep down, they know their viewpoint isn’t strong. Instead of admitting it, they deflect with sarcasm, avoiding the discussion because they can’t argue their point rationally.
 
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People who can’t win with reason resort to sarcasm. Easier to be sarcastic than explain how Marner’s impact on that goal surpassed his linemates, right? Because it didn’t.

Tavares was outstanding. McMann wasn’t far behind. Marner was good, but the other two were clearly more important.
Sarcasm? Your clearly being mocked at this point. 😘
 

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Laughable, absolutely laughable analysis. I honestly don't know how you keep going when literally everyone else is applauding his performance. Even those who don't want to re-sign him are acknowledging how well he's playing right now.

Agreed, it’s completely laughable and it’s just straight up ridiculous at this point.

I don’t know why we even give him the time of day anymore. He’s on an island right now, grasping at whatever he can to try and diminish Marner. I think it’s pretty clear to everyone in this thread that he’s intentionally trying to be divisive, no one is really buying into it right now, especially cause Marner’s play has been exceptional. We should just let him hate and keep speaking to deaf ears, the rest of us enjoy the leafs play.
 

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Sarcasm? Your clearly being mocked at this point. 😘

How about you, you care to explain how Mcmann and Tavares werenr the drivers on that goal?

Look at the Marner only fans doing all they can to avoid admitting Tavares and McMann were the key players on that goal. Its cute.

Im just waiting for @francis246 to pop up and tell us another bogus tale about how his family member is on the team 🤣.
 
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Agreed, it’s completely laughable and it’s just straight up ridiculous at this point.

I don’t know why we even give him the time of day anymore. He’s on an island right now, grasping at whatever he can to try and diminish Marner. I think it’s pretty clear to everyone in this thread that he’s intentionally trying to be divisive, no one is really buying into it right now, especially cause Marner’s play has been exceptional. We should just let him hate and keep speaking to deaf ears, the rest of us enjoy the leafs play.
.. coming from the poster who fabricated a story about a family member being part of management and knowing Nylander was arguing with Matthews, then completely messed up the timeline of events.

That absolutely takes the cake. Next-level obsessed fan - to fabricate a lie to defend a player.

Tell us that story again, so we can remind everyone of your close ties to the team.
 

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How about you, you care to explain how Mcmann and Tavares werenr the drivers on that goal?

Look at the Marner only fans doing all they can to avoid admitting Tavares and McMann were the key players on that goal. Its cute.

Im just waiting for @francis246 to pop up and tell us another bogus tale about how his family member is on the team 🤣.

Seeing as I’m black, the only possibility would be Reaves and he’s out for 5 games! So I’ll have to wait for him to get back to create a few more stories.
 

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.. coming from the poster who fabricated a story about a family member being part of management and knowing Nylander was arguing with Matthews, then completely messed up the timeline of events.

That absolutely takes the cake. Next-level obsessed.

Tell us that story again, so we can remind everyone of your close ties to the team.

You and I both know that’s not what I said and it’s funny to see you desperately grasp at straws.

My brother worked in buisness ops for MLSE. Has nothing to do with the leafs organization. He’s over in the Blue Jays org now. He doesn’t watch hockey and has zero interest in the Maple Leafs. Thinks they suck. We don’t even talk leafs. Didnt even hear the Marner situation from him.
 

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You and I both know that’s not what I said and it’s funny to see you desperately grasp at straws.

My brother worked in buisness ops for MLSE. Has nothing to do with the leafs organization. He’s over in the Blue Jays org now. He doesn’t watch hockey and has zero interest in the Maple Leafs. Thinks they suck. We don’t even talk leafs. Didnt even hear the Marner situation from him.
You claimed you has a contact from within the team that told you Nylander was arguing with Marner... so who was it then? Because it was way off. Do you need your post as a reminder?
 

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You claimed someone from management told you Nylander was arguing with Marner... so who was it then? Because it was way off. Do you need your post as a reminder?

No I didn’t. I said that the person who told me was a producer who was working the game and works in the production of the games for Sportsnet and CBC. We coached together. He gets me up on the jumbotron if I’m at the game sometimes, it’s jokes.

I’ve mentioned a few times my brother took me to some MLSE events where I got to meet some of the leafs and I said the players were nice people. You just continually conflate the two and I know you do it on purpose.
 

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He hit 40 goals before ever making 12.5M.
He had a career high of 30 goals when he got that contract. 40 goals did not factor into that contract. And you were given quite a few examples of players that never hit 40.
Let’s see if Marner wins the Art Ross and Hart this year like McDavid did in his second year.
He won the Hart, eh? Sounds like hockey people don't dismiss playmaking like you're trying to.
 

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Giving all credit to mcmann and jt on 1st goal... haha... If marner is not there in the slot ( a dirty area) to put pressure on mcdavid and stole him the puck... Mcdavid would just skate with the puck pretty easily and absolutly nothing would hapoen. 1st mcmann goal happening with Marner forecheck on mcdavid and second effort to be 1st on puck to push the puck to tavares. and yes it was a team work like basically 80-90% of goal scored

You can't hoping to marner playing like knies in the corner, even player like patrick Kane, Patrice Bergeron, Sidney Crosby and whatever didn't... But you can hope to see him battling for the puck and that's exactly what he did on mcmann goal and what he did all year long...and if he still playing the same exact way in playoff, yes that will still worj because he compete pretty hard right now. Basically Everyone are actually able to see it... except you.
Hate to break it to you, but Marner was not in the slot. He was outside of it.


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