Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Continued

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Honestly - I dont care how much he makes or how long his contract is if the Leafs win a Cup.
That's a pretty high bar given how well they done in 8 playoffs. Having said that the Eastern conference is weak and there for the taking. If they blow it again, blow up this core.

What is the obsession with Marner and Matthews playing on the same line

Someone posted already that they do not perform better statistically when together

Matthews and Domi seemed to work very well last year. Marner and Tavares seems to be a great fit.
Some want the talent spread across 3 lines since the bottom 6 is a black hole.
 
What is the obsession with Marner and Matthews playing on the same line

Someone posted already that they do not perform better statistically when together

Matthews and Domi seemed to work very well last year. Marner and Tavares seems to be a great fit.

They perform better together in the playoffs and the team wins more with them together.

I'm all for spreading the talent since our bottom 6 is terrible and Nylander can drive a line by himself, but this is what the stats say.
 
What is the obsession with Marner and Matthews playing on the same line

Someone posted already that they do not perform better statistically when together

Matthews and Domi seemed to work very well last year. Marner and Tavares seems to be a great fit.

It’s been discussed on multiple podcasts. Auston Matthews has made it clear to everyone in the organization that he wants to play with Marner. He’s been vocal about it and it seems like they are willing to give him Marner if he feels he plays better with Marner. I don’t think fans, management or coaches are obsessed with the idea. But 34 likes it that way.

If you’re Matthews, do you want Domi on your line or Marner this year?
 
It’s been discussed on multiple podcasts. Auston Matthews has made it clear to everyone in the organization that he wants to play with Marner. He’s been vocal about it and it seems like they are willing to give him Marner if he feels he plays better with Marner. I don’t think fans, management or coaches are obsessed with the idea. But 34 likes it that way.

If you’re Matthews, do you want Domi on your line or Marner this year?
So is Marner staying then if GM Matthews won’t play with anyone else.
 
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I agree with you but after paying this guy almost $66m for the last 6 seasons and 8 playoffs, this statement is pretty sad. He now wants $13-$14m and I say no way until he proves he can do it in the playoffs. Some call that being a hater but I call it smart business.
I remember you in particular were quite critical of Marner's overly flashy style and I agreed at the time. He looked for style points and was too skillful sometimes and he has changed that a bit this season and I hope that translates in the playoffs. But it was one of the fairer critiques here when everyone was raking him over the coals. He looks like he is evolving and with his skill that excites me because he still has a ways to go. We were lucky to draft him to be honest. Hanafin or Strome would never have done well under our spotlight. Would have crippled the rebuild. No 3rd round ? Wah . No playoffs is worse lol.
 
So is Marner staying then if GM Matthews won’t play with anyone else.

Who knows? But multiple podcasts have confirmed this did happen with Matthews. I wouldn’t say he we demanding to play, more so making it know he prefers playing with Marner.

As for the contract;
I think management is going to take as much time as they can before signing that contract I don’t think they are in a rush to sign anything.
 
I remember you in particular were quite critical of Marner's overly flashy style and I agreed at the time. He looked for style points and was too skillful sometimes and he has changed that a bit this season and I hope that translates in the playoffs. But it was one of the fairer critiques here when everyone was raking him over the coals. He looks like he is evolving and with his skill that excites me because he still has a ways to go. We were lucky to draft him to be honest. Hanafin or Strome would never have done well under our spotlight. Would have crippled the rebuild. No 3rd round ? Wah . No playoffs is worse lol.

My thought process as well. I hate that we haven’t had playoff success but I could not imagine being a fan of a team like Buffalo. No playoffs in sight, botched top end picks. I rather have a chance and be in the dance than no shot at it.
 
It’s been discussed on multiple podcasts. Auston Matthews has made it clear to everyone in the organization that he wants to play with Marner. He’s been vocal about it and it seems like they are willing to give him Marner if he feels he plays better with Marner. I don’t think fans, management or coaches are obsessed with the idea. But 34 likes it that way.

If you’re Matthews, do you want Domi on your line or Marner this year?
Lots of things are discussed on podcasts, doesn’t make it true.

To quote a legendary poster on here….source?
 
Lots of things are discussed on podcasts, doesn’t make it true.

To quote a legendary poster on here….source?

I’ve posted the quotes/different YouTube clips from 22 thoughts, sdpn, kipper and Bourne, talking buds, there’s a few other small ones that referenced it. Apparently it happened over the summer. Pretty much every podcast was talking about the line combos prior to Matthews coming back. I don’t remember if it was in this thread or the old Marner thread.
 
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I’ve posted the quotes/different YouTube clips from 22 thoughts, sdpn, kipper and Bourne, talking buds, there’s a few other small ones that referenced it. Apparently it happened over the summer. Pretty much every podcast was talking about the line combos prior to Matthews coming back. I don’t remember if it was in this thread or the old Marner thread.

Those guys are jokes.

Well, you gotta think a guy like Marner is going to get thirteen fourteen five six on the malarkey open market.

That's all you hear.
 
Those guys are jokes.

Well, you gotta think a guy like Marner is going to get thirteen fourteen five six on the malarkey open market.

That's all you hear.
Or maybe someone gunning for Rocket Richard trophies against superstars like McDavid wants the best passer on the team and 99 point man Marner on his line and that's just what Papi wants? Why is there always some shill conspiracy theory going on with the Leafs??
 
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Who knows? But multiple podcasts have confirmed this did happen with Matthews. I wouldn’t say he we demanding to play, more so making it know he prefers playing with Marner.

As for the contract;
I think management is going to take as much time as they can before signing that contract I don’t think they are in a rush to sign anything.
He said just last week Marner "is the guy you want to play with". There's no question he's made it known he wants to play with Mitch, why are people disputing this? Just look at last week, dude was invisible and lethargic, Berube puts him back with 16 and suddenly he's euphoric and skating like the wind. It's a reciprocal relationship, they do have chemistry, but I have zero doubt 34 is forever expressing he wants to stay with Mitch.
 
He said just last week Marner "is the guy you want to play with". There's no question he's made it known he wants to play with Mitch, why are people disputing this? Just look at last week, dude was invisible and lethargic, Berube puts him back with 16 and suddenly he's euphoric and skating like the wind. It's a reciprocal relationship, they do have chemistry, but I have zero doubt 34 is forever expressing he wants to stay with Mitch.

It's definitely a mutually beneficial partnership and I'm sure Marner has also made it known he wants to play with 34. they benefit from each other, so I wouldn't be surprised if ultimately it's a joint thing where these guys just like playing with each other.
 
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Or maybe someone gunning for Rocket Richard trophies against superstars like McDavid wants the best passer on the team and 99 point man Marner on his line and that's just what Papi wants? Why is there always some shill conspiracy theory going on with the Leafs??

Been debunked. 5v5 Matthews is actually better with Nylander. Playoffs. Come on man
 
Up until last year Marner's numbers and metrics far surpassed Nylander who also doesn't back check or penalty kill like Marner. Papi wants the best winger on both sides feeding him tacos . Who knew?
Produce and no one cares don’t again and there has to be a different conversation being had
 
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It's definitely a mutually beneficial partnership and I'm sure Marner has also made it known he wants to play with 34. they benefit from each other, so I wouldn't be surprised if ultimately it's a joint thing where these guys just like playing with each other.
It's too bad these guys are more interested in benefitting each other than benefitting the team.
 
Up until last year Marner's numbers and metrics far surpassed Nylander who also doesn't back check or penalty kill like Marner. Papi wants the best winger on both sides feeding him tacos . Who knew?

Nobody knows if AM demands Marner.

The samples of AM 5v5 production was posted here and include the last 5 years or more. AM conclusively was scoring at a faster clip without MM.

Nobody is saying MM isn't better than WN but we can certainly debate WN being better at scoring goals in clutch situations as well as being quicker and better at zone entries.

WN has also been the better performer per dollar spent. That certainly means something to all the people here that want to win a cup.

MM at the same % or slightly higher than WN is fine. If he costs more than AM fire him out the clown cannon to the moon.

As Kris Versteeg said last week on Bunkis, if you want to win the SC you have to make sacrifices for the team. So far, based on playoff results, I'm guessing they have not made enough.

Enough? They have only just made it to the show thus far.
 
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That would be 14.6%. Not unreasonable. UFAs that have gotten between 14 and 15 percent include the likes of Staal, Heatley, Gomez, Panarin, Kopitar, etc.

Fair, but any examples from the last half decade or so? Marner was 10 years old when Gomez signed that deal

It's also worth noting the most recent of those, Panarin also was only able to sign for 7 years as a full free agent. Is the 8th year of guaranteed money deal worth nothing?
 
I’m sure they want to play together, but I suspect winning is more important to them. They probably don’t see things the way we do, and if the coach thinks they are better split up he will split them.
Same coach that should have scratched holmberg or press boxed reeves and play lily yeah sure we’ll see
 
What is the obsession with Marner and Matthews playing on the same line

Someone posted already that they do not perform better statistically when together

Matthews and Domi seemed to work very well last year. Marner and Tavares seems to be a great fit.
I’m fairly confident that if Domi plays with Matthews, we could see an additional 15-20 points per season from Domi. Similarly, if Marner plays with Minten, it should significantly boost Minten's point production. So unless the Matthews-Marner combo is 15-20 points above their career averages when playing together, they should be split up, in my opinion. Matthews and Marner would need to play at a 1.5 PPG pace for me to justify the opportunity cost of not letting each player drive their own line. But not only is Matthews not playing at his usual pace, he’s below it!

Best top 9, imo.

Knies—Matthews—Domi
Patches—Tavares—Nylander
McMann—Minten—Marner

* Marner still plays 20 minutes a night
 
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