Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Continued

[ULF_55]

Can’t imagine there is anyone left that hasn’t concluded that he’s re-signing.

As I've said, the only suspense left is the term.

It was always going to be more than Nylander.

A tiny suspense is whether it will be more than Matthews. I don't believe it will, probably halfway between Nylander and Matthews.

Edit: It could be more than Matthews based on %ofCap, which is an unknown. Example, is Draisaitl better than Matthews? Answer depends on who you are a fan of. Draisaitl $14mm Cap Hit on new contract. He signed full term commitment to the team though.

 

[DarkKnight]

Makes no sense not to sign him early.
They won’t want to let playoffs be the deciding factor that would be really silly.
A poor assumption on the frothers part is that just because they feel all failure is down to this one player it’s doubtful the team feels the same way.

I think it will go down the same as the Nylander contract. 12.5-13 would be a good deal with the cap rising.

 

[ToneDog]

As I've said, the only suspense left is the term.

It was always going to be more than Nylander.

A tiny suspense is whether it will be more than Matthews. I don't believe it will, probably halfway between Nylander and Matthews.

Still hoping somebody at the cash box wakes up and tells them to wait until after the playoffs. Locked into the 3 amigos and watching them and the team shit their pants in the playoffs again would surly slow down jersey sales. The good thing is we have Berube behind the bench who will make them accountable.

 

[ACC1224]

As I've said, the only suspense left is the term.

It was always going to be more than Nylander.

A tiny suspense is whether it will be more than Matthews. I don't believe it will, probably halfway between Nylander and Matthews.

Yep he’ll land between the two as he should. He’s not worth more than Matthews and obviously he’s worth more than Nylander. Salaries at the top will finally be in line with the performance.

Matthews
Marner
Nylander
Tavares

 

[Gabriel426]

As I've said, the only suspense left is the term.

It was always going to be more than Nylander.

A tiny suspense is whether it will be more than Matthews. I don't believe it will, probably halfway between Nylander and Matthews.

Edit: It could be more than Matthews based on %ofCap, which is an unknown. Example, is Draisaitl better than Matthews? Answer depends on who you are a fan of. Draisaitl $14mm Cap Hit on new contract. He signed full term commitment to the team though.

Still think he will be sign after the playoffs.
If they crash out in the first round again and they all choke like playoffs past.
Where can the team go from there.
Lets run it back with the same core and hopes they get it next season?

 

[ULF_55]

When Dubas jump in

Rielly-Hainsey
Gardiner-Zaitsev
Dermott-Polak

They change hainsey for brodie who had been an downgrade

Gardiner for Muzzin who was a great upgrade... when healthy

and he drafted player who never fit in the team

waste asset every trade deadline to always try to fix defensive issues year after year

We dont have the same definition and " made it good "

Close, except:

Hainsey left end of 2018-2019 season.
Barrie acquired 2019-2020 season.
Brodie acquired 2020-2021 season.

Dubas tried to get Brodie in the Kadri deal but contract clauses stopped that.

 

[ULF_55]

Still hoping somebody at the cash box wakes up and tells them to wait until after the playoffs. Locked into the 3 amigos and watching them and the team shit their pants in the playoffs again would surly slow down jersey sales. The good thing is we have Berube behind the bench who will make them accountable.

IMO, not happening.

Rantanen will be re-signed by the Avs, so the best player available would be marner.

Even if they could land a 1st. and 2nd. liner with the money they won't do it.

 

[arso40]

Yep he’ll land between the two as he should. He’s not worth more than Matthews and obviously he’s worth more than Nylander. Salaries at the top will finally be in line with the performance.

Matthews
Marner
Nylander
Tavares

If magic Marner pulls a disappearing act yet again I’m not sure it’s blatantly obvious at all but hope he figures it out your extremely confident though I like it

 

[ToneDog]

IMO, not happening.

Rantanen will be re-signed by the Avs, so the best player available would be marner.

Even if they could land a 1st. and 2nd. liner with the money they won't do it.

Will be interesting to see if Leafs are dumb enough to pay Mitch more than Ranta this go around. Ranta is clearly the better player.

 

[ULF_55]

Will be interesting to see if Leafs are dumb enough to pay Mitch more than Ranta this go around. Ranta is clearly the better player.

oh oh mr carter horshack - Google Suche

"yes."

 

[notDatsyuk]

When Dubas jump in

Rielly-Hainsey
Gardiner-Zaitsev
Dermott-Polak

They change hainsey for brodie who had been an downgrade

Gardiner for Muzzin who was a great upgrade... when healthy

and he drafted player who never fit in the team

waste asset every trade deadline to always try to fix defensive issues year after year

We dont have the same definition and " made it good "

His ideas of 'good' and 'bad' are spectacularly different from anyone else's.

 

[Evilhomer]

Makes no sense not to sign him early.
They won’t want to let playoffs be the deciding factor that would be really silly.
A poor assumption on the frothers part is that just because they feel all failure is down to this one player it’s doubtful the team feels the same way.

I just don't think this team would risk leaving this until after the playoffs. There is no history of the leafs doing that with their best players when they approach UFA (RFA is a different situation).

 

[francis246]

Doubt it. I think they are scared to resign him and risk another playoff disaster and further pissing of Leafs fans who have seen enough of the same rerun.

The guy says he wants to remain a Leaf and Leafs can be the highest bidder. The only reason to resign him before the playoffs is if he gives them a sweet deal. Look how the SC champs handed their pending UFAs. Ah yes, they don't have anybody as great as Mitch. Gotta resign him yesterday.

The leafs aren’t scared to resign Marner because of his playoff performances. They are only scared of the public backlash if they sign him before the playoffs. That’s literally it. I think as an organization they’ve concluded they want to keep the player. But they know that it would be a media frenzy if they sign him before the playoffs. So if they do hold off, it’s probably more so to appease the fans than do the wait and see approach for playoff success.

I don’t think the organization really looks at Marner’s performances and say, “yup it’s his fault”. I think it’s pretty clear what Treliving thinks is the issue. Not big enough / tough defense, not good enough goaltending. Those have been the key things he’s focused on since arriving. It’s pretty clear whether they are wrong or right on this, the management group believes this group can find it offensively. It’s the other parts they want to strengthen

 

[Leafsfan74]

I just don't think this team would risk leaving this until after the playoffs. There is no history of the leafs doing that with their best players when they approach UFA (RFA is a different situation).

I think they should definitely wait until after the playoffs for both JT and Marner.

The Leafs have many good young players. I'd be more than willing to go a year with Matthews, Nylander, Domi, Knies, McMann all the young players they have coming up + their strong defense and $20M in cap space to play with.

Do this right, stop insulting fans, it's one big clubhouse. The Leafs won all of their Cups within the first 50 years of their existence, the last nearly 60 years they haven't even been to a Finals!

Beyond embarrassing.

Ultimately IF they do make a deal, there cannot be a NMC. At the worst, a limited no trade, but I want as much flexibility as possible to move players.

 

[DarkKnight]

If Marner signs a 8 year deal, with the cap rise, you better believe it will get close to Matthews.

 

[ACC1224]

If Marner signs a 8 year deal, with the cap rise, you better believe it will get close to Matthews.

Dollars wise perhaps not percentage wise.

 

[ULF_55]

If Marner signs a 8 year deal, with the cap rise, you better believe it will get close to Matthews.

How much of Draisaitl is playoffs related?
Or is it goals?
8 * $14mm

 

[ToneDog]

I just don't think this team would risk leaving this until after the playoffs. There is no history of the leafs doing that with their best players when they approach UFA (RFA is a different situation).

And how is that working out? Mitch wants to be a Leaf and Leafs can pay him the most money. What is the rush to resign him?

 

[DarkKnight]

How much of Draisaitl is playoffs related?
Or is it goals?
8 * $14mm

My number assumes the cap rises above what was expected when Draisaiti signed. If the floated numbers are correct that's an addition 5 percent on top of what was expected. So that puts Drai money at 14.7 using the same percentage, which people don't commute is all that matters to the agents. So Marner at 2 mil below isn't exactly outlandish on a max deal, is it? Internally too, with Matthews at 13 on a short term deal, how does Marner stack up for 8 years with a 10 percent cap increase over when Matthews signed? His 13 last year would be 14.3 this, so again percentage wise where does that put Marner? Guys here with their childish laugh emojis, aren't computing a quickly rising cap, percentages, if the PA will allow for more than the 5 percent agreed rise, then Marner's agent will re-gig the percentages. So away, but the game may be changing as this season unfolds and the cap changes. Of course, as Friedman reported, maybe it doesn't go up as much. Again, I'm assuming it does.

Dollars wise perhaps not percentage wise.

Exactly, if he signs close to Matthews but with a 10 percent bigger cap and longer term, it really isn't "close".