Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Again

[freshwind]

But there were two offer sheets, and it's likely that at least one was for more money. Marner didn't take them because he wanted to be a Leaf, not because of what the offer was.

THIS has been discussed many times.
the offer sheet for columbus was for 8 years, mitchy refused to sign for 8 but would have for 5, columbus balked at giving up the picks for only 5 years ... was talked about a great deal ... mitchy is not as loyal to the leafs as you are to him

 

[Dekes For Days]

the offer sheet for columbus was for 8 years, mitchy refused to sign for 8 but would have for 5

There's no evidence that Marner would have signed any offer sheet. He wanted to be a Leaf.

 

[freshwind]

There's no evidence that Marner would have signed any offer sheet. He wanted to be a Leaf.

why are your recollections always stated as facts? either you are on the inside (aka marner's pr or family) or you have decided to double down on your feelings rather than entertain the reality that maybe everyone doesn't see the world and game through your views which you consistently state as fact and disregard anyone else's opinion and brush it off as wrong ...
honest question - don't you find it tiring?

PS - it WAS reported that ferris counter offered the columbus 8 year offer with 5 ...

 

[kevsh]

Berube has access to the same stats as Justin Bourne does, yet he refused to split them up until Mitch was injured:

Why separating Matthews and Marner may work better for Maple Leafs

Auston Matthews and Mitch Marner have been elite offensive forces in the NHL since their rookie seasons and have mostly played on the same line. But Justin Bourne writes why separating them may help the Leafs unlock the team's full potential.

www.sportsnet.ca

 

[Dekes For Days]

why are your recollections always stated as facts?

The only one doing that is you. I just noted that there isn't any evidence of your claim, and that Marner himself contradicted it, and said he wasn't concerned with the offer sheets because he wanted to be a Leaf.

 

[leafs in five]

Show us all the plays you consider him as the play driver

 

[AvroArrow]

Complete player is a nebulous term so whatever. You said he's the best, and he's not.

Who in your opinion has been better than Marner this year ? Certainly not Matthews or Nylander to this point. Maybe an argument for 1 of the goaltenders, not really though.

He's easily been the best Leaf up until this point and he's been playing in all situations and has redefined his game. He's not being soft and staying around the perimeter. He's hitting guys, he's forechecking, he's getting to the net, he's getting into scrums.

 

[Antropovsky]

That's not true, of course. We've gone over this a number of times. And what happens every time is you arbitrarily conclude that everything Marner did was either worthless or harmful, no matter what it is. Just like you have for every point he's ever gotten in his career.

Maybe one day, he'll get a point that you recognize as legitimate, but I'm not holding my breath. I'd probably suffocate.

Naa former hockey players and analysts agree with my observations for ex biz and hrudey separate platoff segments saying his effort is pathetic, Ryan Whitney, Sean Avery, Commodore, there was another former player who posted the video of Marner pulling the chute...the list goes on and on. But hey..Dekes knows more than former NHL players.

 

[freshwind]

The only one doing that is you. I just noted that there isn't any evidence of your claim, and that Marner himself contradicted it, and said he wasn't concerned with the offer sheets because he wanted to be a Leaf.

very quick google search
you are not omnipotent as you would like us all to believe
and all of the ferris quotes were AFTER he signed, of course he said "i always wanted to be a leaf"
if all the talk about offer sheets was just smoke then why the pitiful letter to the fans?
can't have it both ways - have a good evening


“From what I heard, ... If Columbus was going to do it, it had to be for seven years. And I think what I heard Marner was looking for — or what his side was looking for — was less term than that.”

If Columbus or any other team is willing to give up four first-round picks for Marner, it makes sense for teams to shoot for a seven-year term. It’s for that reason Friedman feels the offer sheet fell by the wayside.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Naa former hockey players and analysts agree with my observations

Media personalities rage baiting to get clicks say some of the things you say. Everybody actually in the NHL values Marner a ton.

of course he said "i always wanted to be a leaf" if all the talk about offer sheets was just smoke then why the pitiful letter to the fans?

He said he always wanted to be a Leaf because he always wanted to be a Leaf. I'm not sure what you think those two things have to do with each other.

“From what I heard, ... If Columbus was going to do it, it had to be for seven years. And I think what I heard Marner was looking for — or what his side was looking for — was less term than that.”

What one media guy "thinks he heard" isn't a fact, and whatever Ferris was negotiating with teams, it doesn't mean Marner would have signed it. He got two offer sheets, and didn't sign them.

 

[Gallagbi]

THIS has been discussed many times.
the offer sheet for columbus was for 8 years, mitchy refused to sign for 8 but would have for 5, columbus balked at giving up the picks for only 5 years ... was talked about a great deal ... mitchy is not as loyal to the leafs as you are to him

Aren't RFA/UFA deals capped at 7 years for the non resigning team?

Naa former hockey players and analysts agree with my observations for ex biz and hrudey separate platoff segments saying his effort is pathetic, Ryan Whitney, Sean Avery, Commodore, there was another former player who posted the video of Marner pulling the chute...the list goes on and on. But hey..Dekes knows more than former NHL players.

There's former (and current) players an Analysts who support him as well, so it makes sense the fanbase would also be divided when there's no consensus.

 

[Raging Bull]

why are your recollections always stated as facts? either you are on the inside (aka marner's pr or family) or you have decided to double down on your feelings rather than entertain the reality that maybe everyone doesn't see the world and game through your views which you consistently state as fact and disregard anyone else's opinion and brush it off as wrong ...
honest question - don't you find it tiring?

PS - it WAS reported that ferris counter offered the columbus 8 year offer with 5 ...

Link? You can't counter an offer sheet as far as I know. If you are going to spout shit and accuse other people of making shit up you better be able to back up your claims.

 

[freshwind]

Aren't RFA/UFA deals capped at 7 years for the non resigning team?

yes, my bad

Link? You can't counter an offer sheet as far as I know. If you are going to spout shit and accuse other people of making shit up you better be able to back up your claims.

not spouting shit ... why the hostility?
show me in the cba where the agent can't counter... and to be up front, i have not read the cba ...

i never accused any one of talking shit ... that is your term ... buh bye, i'm done with the magic mitchy crew

 

[Gary Nylund]

Who in your opinion has been better than Marner this year ? Certainly not Matthews or Nylander to this point. Maybe an argument for 1 of the goaltenders, not really though.

He's easily been the best Leaf up until this point and he's been playing in all situations and has redefined his game. He's not being soft and staying around the perimeter. He's hitting guys, he's forechecking, he's getting to the net, he's getting into scrums.

Read post #1375.

 

[Maple Leaf]

The post I commented on said nothing about "this year" or "this season".

I found post 1375

 

[Gary Nylund]

I found post 1375

Yeah I get why some people would say he's been our best player this season (though he wouldn't get my vote), but to say he's our best player without some qualifiers is what I was commenting on. Matthews is our best player, it's not close, the end.