Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Again

[thewave]

as far as the comments re: where were the discounts for 34 and 88 --- this falls on 34 ... willie said last year that he would look at a discount if others did as well .. shortly after that auston signed his current deal ...
from friedman:

[Friedman] When it comes to William Nylander’s negotiations, the biggest problem I think is this: he’s not gonna want to take less if he doesn’t think anyone else is going to. If he believes other players will, he will.​

Which is the correct mindset. Why should anyone take less when the top players are simply saying give me max, you take the discount, more for me. Looking at you Mitch I am as good as Matthews Marner

 

[arso40]

Which is the correct mindset. Why should anyone take less when the top players are simply saying give me max, you take the discount, more for me. Looking at you Mitch I am as good as Matthews Marner

Right you guys share the same amount of blame as the core but career earnings are not the close

 

[IPS]

Wouldn't be shocked at all if Marner wants a 2 year deal. Take him to 29 years old, with the cap at $110M+ as a UFA, and sign his big 8 (or 7) year deal for many more dollars.

I will say, if Mitch wants a 2 year we can absolutely do that, no NMC's of course.

 

[Sundinisagod]

Wouldn't be shocked at all if Marner wants a 2 year deal. Take him to 29 years old, with the cap at $110M+ as a UFA, and sign his big 8 (or 7) year deal for many more dollars.

I will say, if Mitch wants a 2 year we can absolutely do that, no NMC's of course.

Nah Marner will want it both ways. He’ll want the security of an 8 year deal, and he’ll want the the 110M+ factored into his salary, not to mention the full NMC. Only thing I wonder if he’d be willing to defer some of the money, which his camp would play out as him making concessions to make the team more competitive lmao.

 

[Sundinisagod]

as far as the comments re: where were the discounts for 34 and 88 --- this falls on 34 ... willie said last year that he would look at a discount if others did as well .. shortly after that auston signed his current deal ...
from friedman:

[Friedman] When it comes to William Nylander’s negotiations, the biggest problem I think is this: he’s not gonna want to take less if he doesn’t think anyone else is going to. If he believes other players will, he will.​

I’m not so convinced that Nylander ever actually said this, and even if he did, he would have known full well that Matthews wasn’t giving any sort of discount, we all knew that much. Personally I think Marner’s rfa deal played a bigger part in Nylander’s demands than Matthews ufa deal.

 

[keonsbitterness]

Seravelli on Bunkis yesterday thinks not likely Marner gets less than Matthews with the rising cap. Says no discount. Who wants to drive him to the airport?

Frank also said Marner would be dealt last summer.

 

[Stephen]

Relative to other athletes in other major sports. Bench NBA players are making more than Connor McDavid.

Same with utility infielders making more than start NHLers. IKF a blue jays was making 7.5 a year for example.

Chris Boucher on the raptors makes 10.81 USD per year.

That’s what makes the MLSE ownership of the Leafs and Raptors so unique. On one hand they have an NHL team with the financial of an NBA team but are handcuffed and spend to the NHL level.

For the price of a Chris Boucher you are re-upping some of the upper tier stars in the NHL. So you think about the revenue that’s built off these guys, of course they don’t mind shelling out a little more and keeping the band together.m

Like think about in another sport where Rogers is throwing $600 million to be in the Juan Soto conversation, and they’re getting hockey’s near equivalent for less than $100 million over 8.

 

[Stephen]

Seravelli on Bunkis yesterday thinks not likely Marner gets less than Matthews with the rising cap. Says no discount. Who wants to drive him to the airport?

It’s interesting that TSN is starting to put out the Marner or Rantanen option. If it’s not outright back channeling via the media wing, it’s at least putting the idea into the mainstream that the Leafs have UFA options.

 

[Tie Domi Esquire]

I’m not a Marner fan but I find your argument a bit insincere

Why is Marner criticized only for the playoffs but Matthews is hailed for his regular seasons. Nylander got overpaid too, but it was just a normal 8 year UFA overpayment, similar to what Marner will have

Matthews has been a dud in the past 5 playoff series’s too and don’t give me the bs injury excuse as his wrist gets hurt every year on game 83.

They’ve both been mediocre playoff players and great regular season players. Matthews has the grossest contract in the league and Marner will just have an overpaid contract.

I don’t want that, but if it comes to it I won’t just be mad/disappointed in 16, it’ll be all 3 of them who were after every penny.

100%. Seems like people are still holding out hope for this team when it's clear that ownership doesn't prioritize winning.

 

[Hallonbroder]

Not true. One of them actually plays in both ends of the rink.

And one shrinks in the playoffs and struggle to score goals in general

 

[leafs in five]

100%. Seems like people are still holding out hope for this team when it's clear that ownership doesn't prioritize winning.

I don't believe this is clear

 

[DarkKnight]

Obviously after Matthews. Almost as obviously after Nylander as well.

Again, not a GM in the league, your bias is irrelevant. I mean I could argue he's more valuable to the team than Matthews, doesn't make it true.

 

[BraveCanadian]

And one shrinks in the playoffs and struggle to score goals in general

Wrong again, despite the insane narrative around here.

 

[ToneDog]

Is there an $11m player in the league, now asking $13+m, who needs to play with elite forwards to be effective? Matthews and Nylander have proven they do not. Tavares proved it earlier in his career. Marner has played with Matthews or Tavares the last 7 years. If one is hurt, Marner plays with the other and Nylander is left with the crumbs.

Play him with Holmberg and McMann and show us you are a $13+m player.

Knies Matthews Domi
Patches Tavares Nylander
McMann Holmberg Marner
Lorentz Kampf Reaves

For a team that gets virtually zero production from it's 3rd line, does it not make sense to use Marner to fix it? Yet when he returns it will be back with Matthews or Tavares. Overload the top two lines in the playoffs, watch them get neutered and then bitch because your 3rd line does not produce. Rinse and repeat.

 

[GoonieFace]

Is there an $11m player in the league, now asking $13+m, who needs to play with elite forwards to be effective? Matthews and Nylander have proven they do not. Tavares proved it earlier in his career. Marner has played with Matthews or Tavares the last 7 years. If one is hurt, Marner plays with the other and Nylander is left with the crumbs.

Play him with Holmberg and McMann and show us you are a $13+m player.

Knies Matthews Domi
Patches Tavares Nylander
McMann Holmberg Marner
Lorentz Kampf Reaves

For a team that gets virtually zero production from it's 3rd line, does it not make sense to use Marner to fix it? Yet when he returns it will be back with Matthews or Tavares.

I still remember a 3 or 4 game stretch this year when Matthews was out. Willy was getting every line going he was on, only for Bérubé to take him off and put Marner there. It was weird how they seem to want to cater to him.

 

[ToneDog]

I still remember a 3 or 4 game stretch this year when Matthews was out. Willy was getting every line going he was on, only for Bérubé to take him off and put Marner there. It was weird how they seem to want to cater to him.

You think in a contract year they would challenge him, instead they cater to him. The people in charge of this team are truly morons, continuing to double and triple down on the same, wrong horses, expecting a different result. God bless the fans willing to pay for this.

 

[leafs in five]

most star players play with at least one other star player

 

[Sundinisagod]

Is there an $11m player in the league, now asking $13+m, who needs to play with elite forwards to be effective? Matthews and Nylander have proven they do not. Tavares proved it earlier in his career. Marner has played with Matthews or Tavares the last 7 years. If one is hurt, Marner plays with the other and Nylander is left with the crumbs.

Play him with Holmberg and McMann and show us you are a $13+m player.

Knies Matthews Domi
Patches Tavares Nylander
McMann Holmberg Marner
Lorentz Kampf Reaves

For a team that gets virtually zero production from it's 3rd line, does it not make sense to use Marner to fix it? Yet when he returns it will be back with Matthews or Tavares. Overload the top two lines in the playoffs, watch them get neutered and then bitch because your 3rd line does not produce. Rinse and repeat.

I'm sure he's asking 14m. At 13m I think the Leafs would have caved. Crazy demands from a player who hasn't lived up to his 11m contract.

 

[leafs in five]

You think in a contract year they would challenge him, instead they cater to him. The people in charge of this team are truly morons, continuing to double and triple down on the same, wrong horses, expecting a different result. God bless the fans willing to pay for this.

idk how Berube manages to find him almost 22 mins of unchallenging ice time a game but somehow

 

[Sundinisagod]

Again, not a GM in the league, your bias is irrelevant. I mean I could argue he's more valuable to the team than Matthews, doesn't make it true.

Nylander has about twice as many goals this season, and he's going to score a lot more goals than Marner moving forward. Nothing outlandish about preferring the guy who scores way more goals and doesn't shrink come playoff time. Speaking of bias, I think some.people here are vastly overeating Marner's defensive game.

 

[ToneDog]

I'm sure he's asking 14m. At 13m I think the Leafs would have caved. Crazy demands from a player who hasn't lived up to his 11m contract.

He's dilutional. Leafs can afford it but he has proven that he is not a McDavid, Draisaitl or MacKinnon who can drag their team to a series win. Small, weak, soft winger who cannot score asking for $14m should be punted.

Sakic refused to pay a better player less money and that player helped win him win a cup. Marner is not even close. Leafs have set their limit. I hope they stick to it and if he walks, so be it.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Wrong again, despite the insane narrative around here.

It's correct, and the narrative is based on facts which is pretty much the opposite of insane.

I get it, you're one of those who loves Marner and therefore ignores the facts that show him for what he really is. Here's the thing though, facts are facts no matter how passionately you pretend they're not.

 

[Hallonbroder]

Wrong again, despite the insane narrative around here.

Nope, not wrong

 

[ZEBROA]

I want to see Nylander and Marner on the same line. Nylander on the left or C . Dont care about the third dude. Switch 2nd 3rd liners and stay with the player that works best.

 

[ToneDog]

I want to see Nylander and Marner on the same line. Nylander on the left or C . Dont care about the third dude. Switch 2nd 3rd liners and stay with the player that works best.

Good luck. Marner hanging around the blue line and Willie not going into a corner to battle for a puck.

Tavares needs one to be productive at this stage. The other should drive his own line for the money he gets.