Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Again

[Nineteen67]

So pretty much keep mortgaging the future on this lousy core and hope they get it done? They failed to get it done when they added ROR, Acciari and Schenn and every other time they added at the TDL. Other teams, as good or better than the Leafs will add better players. I would save my bullets for next year.

Give them one more shot at the eastern final then blow it up.

 

[Confucius]

So pretty much keep mortgaging the future on this lousy core and hope they get it done? They failed to get it done when they added ROR, Acciari and Schenn and every other time they added at the TDL. Other teams, as good or better than the Leafs will add better players. I would save my bullets for next year.

It’s how you go from being a top 5 team to a bottom 5 team. Then once the core is old spend the next 10 years trying to sneak in with the last wildcard spot

 

[ToneDog]

Give them one more shot at the eastern final then blow it up.

They can't/won't blow it up. They need to keep the season ticket holders entertained and paying for overpriced concessions and jerseys.

 

[Confucius]

They can't/won't blow it up. They need to keep the season ticket holders entertained and paying for overpriced concessions and jerseys.

They get NMC’s lol, they will never blow it up.

 

[Mess]

If Ranta is 11.75, Mitch isn’t even worth 11, let alone the 12.8

The best RW in the game today is Nikita Kucherov, who lead the TB Lightening in playoff scoring 2 X and on to multiple Stanley Cups recently. Last year he posted 44 goals 100 assists for 144 points and he makes $9.5 mil AAV.

Marner has NEVER recorded 100 points never-mind 100 assists in a single season.

If not for a clueless former Leafs GM, Marner should currently be on a 8 year @$8.5 mil deal with current + 2 more years still under contract at that price point. That makes him currently +$2.5 mil overpaid per season at present. We shouldn't even be discussing re-signing him for another 2 1/2 years from now, and even at $8.5 mil AAV we would feel being cheated by his annual playoff contrition and performance.

Instead of 8 years he signed for only 6 year term, with the intention to screw over the Leafs organization again on this next contract.

Leafs salary structure is SO out of wack to reality, and as a result Leafs Cup competitiveness harmed by this that there is no serious hope for real success in Salary Cap World when your internal salary structure is the WORST in the entire NHL.

 

[ToneDog]

We do not have to be the highest offer on the table, to keep a player who has been a lifelong fan and is playing at home. Time to take advantage of the situation.

If only Shanny thought this way and had Sakic's balls.

 

[GoonieFace]

The best RW in the game today is Nikita Kucherov, who lead the TB Lightening in playoff scoring 2 X and on to multiple Stanley Cups recently. Last year he posted 44 goals 100 assists for 144 points and he makes $9.5 mil AAV.

Marner has NEVER recorded 100 points never-mind 100 assists in a single season.

If not for a clueless former Leafs GM, Marner should currently be on a 8 year @$8.5 mil deal with current + 2 more years still under contract at that price point. That makes him currently +$2.5 mil overpaid per season at present.

Instead of 8 years he signed for only 6 year term, with the intention to screw over the Leafs organization again on this next contract.

Leafs salary structure is SO out of wack to reality, and as a result Leafs Cup competitiveness harmed by this that there is no serious hope for real success in Salary Cap World when your internal salary structure is the WORST in the entire NHL.

Yeah, but the taxes…

 

[thewave]

They can't/won't blow it up. They need to keep the season ticket holders entertained and paying for overpriced concessions and jerseys.

That's right. It's just a toy company, more accurately a merchandising company. 700m to name the Arena, buy the TV rights, sell it off in bit to Prime TSN etc etc. Jerseys cups, Bobble heads, License plates, the list goes on and on. The organization itself creates itself and the atmosphere. We are the result of their faulty product. If they were winning our criticisms wouldn't exist.

It's honestly shameful how this team is run.

 

[Confucius]

Yeah, but the taxes…

It’s probably negated by getting paid u s dollars and living life spending Canadian dollars

 

[ToneDog]

One poster suggested Marner may want to bolt to the Avs if Ranta left. Well Ranta has left Denver, so would Sakic trade what he got for Ranta for Marner ?

In reality, what the poster did not know at the time is that Sakic wouldn't even pay Marner what he is being paid today so the answer is, "not a chance in hell". Here's hoping the Leafs and the Marner camp both got wake up calls from Sakic.

 

[GoonieFace]

It’s probably negated by getting paid u s dollars and living life spending Canadian dollars

I never understood that argument. You are right, getting paid in US dollars and spending it in Canada is huge. Plus, these guys can do a whole bunch of things with their money to shelter themselves.

 

[JL17]

Sakic isn’t the GM in Colorado.

 

[Confucius]

I never understood that argument. You are right, getting paid in US dollars and spending it in Canada is huge. Plus, these guys can do a whole bunch of things with their money to shelter themselves.

11 million U S currently equals 15.8 million Canadian.

 

[Antropovsky]

Sakic isn’t the GM in Colorado.

Shanahan isn't GM of Leafs. Ask Dubas if GMs have full control of roster decisions over Presidents.

 

[Confucius]

Shanahan isn't GM of Leafs. Ask Dubas if GMs have full control of roster decisions over Presidents.

Sometimes even presidents don’t have full control. Years ago I remember reading that committing very large sums had to be approved by the board of directors. Can’t remember if it was Leafs though but I’d guess it was.

 

[ToneDog]

Shanahan isn't GM of Leafs. Ask Dubas if GMs have full control of roster decisions over Presidents.

What difference does it make whether Sakic or McFarlane or both decided to not pay Ranta and trade him instead? Knit picking?

 

[francis246]

The best fantasy was when Rantanen got traded by a strong management group. A group that did not want to break the internal cap structure for the greed of a hockey player. It didn't even matter to them that they recently won the cup, they simply had the better sense to cut bait.

If this team had brains they would hold the 8th year hostage and give him a take it or leave it offer. 11.5m or 12m or whatever it is. If not simply ask him to waive and trade to see if he can get what he wants elsewhere.

The core here is not hard-core hockey players, they are soft core hockey players with hard-core agents that are hard pressed to fleece Leafs fans and MLSE so they can live a fraction better high life.

Oh and just remember. All the extra Marer is doing now is just what he was saving himself with in the past. In other words he is actually playing to the level he is capable and the rest of the years were not important enough to him to put in the extra effort.

I think that deal is already on the table. It’s probably inbetween 12 and 13. We’ve already heard the leafs have made Marner the offer and their internal cap is not higher than Matthews. So they’ve probably already set the number. That’s why I think people worrying about 14 are working themselves up for nothing. If Marner is making 14, he won’t be a Maple Leaf. So at the end of the day it’s a win.

I also disagree with Marner saving himself. He’s been over PPG every year since signing that contract. Shit the bed in the playoffs for sure, no goals in 2 years is bad. But this idea that he only turns up in contract years is pretty false and the numbers back that up.

They can't/won't blow it up. They need to keep the season ticket holders entertained and paying for overpriced concessions and jerseys.

Did attendance drop during the Kessel era when they were ass for 9/10 years lol?

 

[francis246]

You're probably right. For the record I like the possible runner up for the Rocket better then a player that is loaded up with EN goals, secondary assists and not so much playoff jam when you're trying to close the series.

Just FYI

Marner leads the league or is tied for primary assists currently I believe. *EDIT* correction he’s second behind Nathan MacKinnon

William Nylander has 4 empty net goals this year and Marner has 2!

 

[Tie Domi Esquire]

Did attendance drop during the Kessel era when they were ass for 9/10 years lol?

Source:

Never underestimate the gutlessness of this organization.

Edit: I can't link the article, it just turns into a video lool

The worst part is now some folks try and gaslight us into believing that Kessel was a good thing.

 

[francis246]

The best RW in the game today is Nikita Kucherov, who lead the TB Lightening in playoff scoring 2 X and on to multiple Stanley Cups recently. Last year he posted 44 goals 100 assists for 144 points and he makes $9.5 mil AAV.

Marner has NEVER recorded 100 points never-mind 100 assists in a single season.

If not for a clueless former Leafs GM, Marner should currently be on a 8 year @$8.5 mil deal with current + 2 more years still under contract at that price point. That makes him currently +$2.5 mil overpaid per season at present. We shouldn't even be discussing re-signing him for another 2 1/2 years from now, and even at $8.5 mil AAV we would feel being cheated by his annual playoff contrition and performance.

Instead of 8 years he signed for only 6 year term, with the intention to screw over the Leafs organization again on this next contract.

Leafs salary structure is SO out of wack to reality, and as a result Leafs Cup competitiveness harmed by this that there is no serious hope for real success in Salary Cap World when your internal salary structure is the WORST in the entire NHL.

Just to also clarify, Dubas mentioned that the organization wanted to go mid term with all those guys to give both the players and the team more “flexibility”. Based on Dubas’ comments, I doubt the team wanted 8 years for either Nylander or Marner incase they wanted to move off of them.

 

[notdoneyet]

If the cap is at or close to 100 mill in 2 years. Necas will make close to 10 million. Necas is about to join one of the best power plays in the league. That was one of his contention points when he held out with Carolina. His numbers were low because he didn’t get PP time. This year he was a big part of Carolina’s power play.

And if the avs don’t want to pay him that because they feel it’s too high, they’ll be in the same situation because Necas will go to UFA. Necas has already shown he’s willing to play hard ball. So it’s really just kicking the same problem down the road 1.5 years from now. I do expect the avs to active Landeskog so he’ll be a big boost.

But how good is an older landeskog who hasn’t played in 2 years
Colorado didn’t make themselves better by this trade
Now if they added necas to Mack and ratenen then that’s a different story

 

[29Potvin]

I think Nylander got eight due to the perception of him being slighted compared to the other two during the last round of negotiations.

I expect the Leafs won't budge from Matthews being the highest paid player, and Marner has to accept that if he wants to remain here.

I also believe Nylander wants to be a Leaf and could handle the pressure.
Out of the big 5 I feel like Willy would be willing to move if the team asked him.

 

[thewave]

But how good is an older landeskog who hasn’t played in 2 years
Colorado didn’t make themselves better by this trade
Now if they added necas to Mack and ratenen then that’s a different story

They have cap to make them better and Necas is good. That is making the team better

 

[francis246]

The best RW in the game today is Nikita Kucherov, who lead the TB Lightening in playoff scoring 2 X and on to multiple Stanley Cups recently. Last year he posted 44 goals 100 assists for 144 points and he makes $9.5 mil AAV.

Marner has NEVER recorded 100 points never-mind 100 assists in a single season.

If not for a clueless former Leafs GM, Marner should currently be on a 8 year @$8.5 mil deal with current + 2 more years still under contract at that price point. That makes him currently +$2.5 mil overpaid per season at present. We shouldn't even be discussing re-signing him for another 2 1/2 years from now, and even at $8.5 mil AAV we would feel being cheated by his annual playoff contrition and performance.

Instead of 8 years he signed for only 6 year term, with the intention to screw over the Leafs organization again on this next contract.

Leafs salary structure is SO out of wack to reality, and as a result Leafs Cup competitiveness harmed by this that there is no serious hope for real success in Salary Cap World when your internal salary structure is the WORST in the entire NHL.

Global Player

Dubas in this video says the player moved off their desired term. Which means the team wanted a 5 year deal with Matthews and I’m sure the same for Nylander and Marner. If we are to take Dubas at his word that was a huge mistake and means the players all wanted 8 years.

Going back to these videos just builds the case Dubas is a completely shit GM. Players still have to take some of the blame but a lot of this is on Dubas. His plan was so flawed. He hedged everything on the cap going up.

 

[thewave]

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Source:

Never underestimate the gutlessness of this organization.

Edit: I can't link the article, it just turns into a video lool

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The worst part is now some folks try and gaslight us into believing that Kessel was a good thing.

A lot of people around here don't feel things like ticket price fatigue are part of the teams decision making process

Global Player

Dubas in this video says the player moved off their desired term. Which means the team wanted a 5 year deal with Matthews and I’m sure the same for Nylander and Marner. If we are to take Dubas at his word that was a huge mistake and means the players all wanted 8 years.

Going back to these videos just builds the case Dubas is a completely shit GM. Players still have to take some of the blame but a lot of this is on Dubas. His plan was so flawed. He hedged everything on the cap going up.

Dubas was shit and is still a shit GM