Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Again

[francis246]

There's no constructive value at all in thinking about it this way. He was an RFA.

His contract created an unnecessary competitive disadvantage against the market - probably to the tune of 2-4M per annum amongst other cumulative hardships - which is the only thing that's important.

The price point was a debacle, there's no other useful/innovative perspective here.

100% Dubies fault btw.

Was going to say, that really isn’t Marner’s fault. That’s the GM’s fault. All a player can do is ask for money. The organization and GM has to do is say no. While the negotiations weren’t lovely. I think people need to stop blaming Marner for doing what’s best for himself. (Honestly it’s probably likely Marner had little to do with the actual negotiation. Ferris handles everything all Marner does is say yes and signs the paper work afterwards). All players do it. People act like Marner was sitting in the room saying pay me 10.9. The agents do all the talking.

There’s an article Sportsnet did last year where they asked Nick Robertson how the contract negotiation was going. He literally admitted he knows nothing about it, his agent handles everything. Jeff Teague (NBA player) on his podcast chronicled a time where he was a UFA. His agent presented him with a few offers. He told his agent he wanted to take less money to resign where he was. The next day his agent called him and said congrats on your new contract and btw you’re headed to another team. He said he was so pissed lol. Lots of similar stories from MLB players too. But I think a lot of people don’t realize players are not actively involved in resignings until it’s really close. I don’t think players even really give a shit about the specific number really. They probably have some people they want to be in the same conversation with or same group with.

Proof:

Q&A: How Nick Robertson found peace on the Maple Leafs' lineup bubble

No one bounces back from a healthy scratch better than Nick Robertson. Luke Fox talked to the colourful Maple Leafs forward about that and much more in a recent interview.

www.sportsnet.ca

Jeff Teague Story


Look at this example of Deboo Samuel talking to his agent. Deboo is basically ready to sign and his agent completely halts that thinking.

 

[LeafEgo]

Was going to say, that really isn’t Marner’s fault. That’s the GM’s fault. All a player can do is ask for money. The organization and GM has to do is say no. While the negotiations weren’t lovely. I think people need to stop blaming Marner for doing what’s best for himself. (Honestly it’s probably likely Marner had little to do with the actual negotiation. Ferris handles everything all Marner does is say yes and signs the paper work afterwards). All players do it. People act like Marner was sitting in the room saying pay me 10.9. The agents do all the talking.

There’s an article Sportsnet did last year where they asked Nick Robertson how the contract negotiation was going. He literally admitted he knows nothing about it, his agent handles everything. Jeff Teague (NBA player) on his podcast chronicled a time where he was a UFA. His agent presented him with a few offers. He told his agent he wanted to take less money to resign where he was. The next day his agent called him and said congrats on your new contract and btw you’re headed to another team. He said he was so pissed lol. Lots of similar stories from MLB players too. But I think a lot of people don’t realize players are not actively involved in resignings until it’s really close. I don’t think players even really give a shit about the number really.

Agreed.

Marner hired Ferris because his skills allowed him to do so. Ferris isn't a yuppie having fun spending his time branding and networking like a character in Ballers. We don't know if Marner inserted himself into negotiations in a big way, but he was 22yo so if we're playing vegas lines he was probably just focused on his hockey, as he should be. And it worked.

Ferris probably fell off his chair when Dubie was hired and simply executed with precision.

 

[francis246]

Agreed.

Marner hired Ferris because his skills allowed him to do so. Ferris isn't a yuppie having fun spending his time branding and networking like a character in Ballers. We don't know if Marner inserted himself into negotiations in a big way, but he was 22yo so if we're playing vegas lines he was probably just focused on his hockey, as he should be. And it worked.

Ferris probably fell off his chair when Dubie was hired and simply executed with precision.

I can just imagine it. They probably celebrated like no tomorrow when the leafs called back saying they’d agree to 10.9. If I’m a betting man Ferris and Marner we’re probably just as shocked as leafs nation that they landed on that number lol. I’m sure Marner outlined what he wanted to make, probably in the Eichel/Matthews range.

Truthfully I don’t think Marner had any idea that the 10.9 would have the fanbase turn on him. I think if given the chance he’d do things over. We’re kind of seeing this negotiation being handled differently too. Ferris isn’t running his mouth like he was the last time and Mitch straight up isn’t even addressing the contract.

 

[LeafEgo]

I can just imagine it. They probably celebrated like no tomorrow when the leafs called back saying they’d agree to 10.9. If I’m a betting man Ferris and Marner we’re probably just as shocked as leafs nation that they landed on that number lol. I’m sure Marner outlined what he wanted to make, probably in the Eichel/Matthews range.

Truthfully I don’t think Marner had any idea that the 10.9 would have the fanbase turn on him. I think if given the chance he’d do things over. We’re kind of seeing this negotiation being handled differently too. Ferris isn’t running his mouth like he was the last time and Mitch straight up isn’t even addressing the contract.

Ferris used his brand and public status to shut down Tre immediately last summer when there was noise and chatter and Tre tried to play into it.

Ferris had all the leverage while Tre had little and he used it and Tre buckled - Marner earned good representation.

Anybody could be right on what's going on now but I suspect there's a stalemate until post season results are in. It's possible they've decided post season results won't affect their ultimate decision and are just trying to get Ferris not to break the Matty ceiling.

 

[Antropovsky]

Yep, hockey is a team sport.

Yep team sport.

If the coach implements a system emphasizing finishing checks, going to the net, and engaging physically in board battles, there should be no exceptions, all players need to do it. The leaders need to lead the way and help establish a culture.