Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Again

[Gary Nylund]

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It wouldn't but it would increase the risk of Marner's camp refusing to come down from a number higher than Matthews.

So what should they do?

If Marner's camp is asking for a number higher than Matthews then we should tell his camp to f*** off and start planning for a future without Marner. Matthews and Marner aren't on the same tier as players, simple as that.

 

[Mess]

Some think he could leave if he is not locked up.

Some people believe he might have already been traded last summer if not for his full NMC. That no trade clause guaranteeing he remain a Leaf unless he gave consent to allow them to move on.

When Marner was an RFA he threatened Leafs management with an Offersheet forcing Leafs management to overpay him to keep him. But he never officially signed it, an indication he never intended to leave only exploit that to his financial gain.

If he once again hopes to remain a Leaf then he is not being forced to sign with another team this time around either as a UFA, and instead should plan on having the playoff of his career and once again force Leafs management hand to meet his demands based on the merits of his contribution.

Point being Marner controls his future and at present NOBODY is forcing him to leave the organization and he controls that even when this contract ends.. However there is one thing perhaps preventing him from being life long Leaf and that really depends on his playoff performance and IF he accepts a contract from Toronto should that be offered, but on their terms. That offer can increase with a successful playoff season for the Leafs, that might not be available today until he PROVES it.

If its really only about the MONEY and Marner chooses to leave to chase top $$ then he was really only using the Leafs as a bargaining tool all along for his personal gain. Loyalty is a 2-way street and Marner is currently in the drivers seat.

 

[ToneDog]

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It wouldn't but it would increase the risk of Marner's camp refusing to come down from a number higher than Matthews.

So what should they do?

Simple. Don't like what people have to say? Stop reading or better yet, ignore the thread.

 

[Stringer Bell]

What is the value to signing him before the post season finishes?

If he has a good post season, he will not have earned more than he's already asking for. And if another team backs up the truck for him, and he wants to accept that over a very, very reasonable (most likely overly reasonable) offer from us...then he doesn't really want to be here and we use that open 11-13 million to spread around multiple holes.

If he has a very poor post season then we can much better assess what we really want to do.

I just don't see any value to signing him prior to the post season. None.

This post above is getting lots of likes. I'd like to see some people build a good case against it for my own curiosity.

 

[Aashir]

he needs to find a way to beat a goalie

0 goals on 18 shots in the past month almost.

 

[Antropovsky]

Matthews continues to carry the offense for his line. No empty calorie points on Matthews goal for Marner today though.

 

[francis246]

Some think he could leave if he is not locked up.

If Rantanen hits the UFA market I fully expect Marner to also test.

 

[ToneDog]

If Rantanen hits the UFA market I fully expect Marner to also test.

Ranta might if Sakic sticks to his internal pay scale. Doubt Marner does because Leafs will pay.

 

[sunstersun]

Marner should test UFA if he wants to make the most anyways.

 

[keonsbitterness]

Simple. Don't like what people have to say? Stop reading or better yet, ignore the thread.

The thread is fine (if very repetitive). I meant what should Leaf fans do who are angry about lack of playoff success?

 

[ToneDog]

The thread is fine (if very repetitive). I meant what should Leaf fans do who are angry about lack of playoff success?

Not much they can do except let leafs management hear it. They do but don't seem to care because they are smarter. A good example was their decision to extend Dubas.

 

[trellaine201]

Maybe Dubas is gonna swoop in and sign him I could definitely see that without looking at Pittsburghs cap though

 

[Maple Leaf]

Congrats to marner 700 points

Last week, Mitch Marner became the fastest Maple Leafs player in franchise history to reach 700 points, accomplishing the feat in 622 games

 

[leafs in five]

Who's discounting Marner's contribution? Where are you getting this stuff from?

come on

 

[Evilhomer]

Ranta might if Sakic sticks to his internal pay scale. Doubt Marner does because Leafs will pay.

At this point, it's the only plausible outcome. The Leafs aren't going to leave themselves exposed to the risk of having to replace Marner with lesser players in free agency. They should have made a decision on him or Nylander a couple of years ago. Too late now.

 

[francis246]

100% false.

I have been a diehard fan for 40 years.

The difference is I coach for a living at a National level. Not everything is as black and white as some make it out to be. I have spent my life winning National/Provincial tournaments and I have spent my life managing incredible teams lose when it mattered most. Perspective is different.

This is me too. I have coached at an extremely high level, national, provincial teams, club teams, at the collegiate level as well. I’ve also been blessed to play sports at an extremely high level and earn an income from that. A lot of the takes in this thread are completely off base and speaks to lack of knowledge of what goes on in locker rooms and how managers/coaches think. Even how pros operate. A lot of it is projection based in here. Which as fans is all we can do realistically. I laughed when holycrap said you don’t have the mindset for success.. like what the hell?

My perspective is completely different too. While I love the leafs I do tend to look at sports from a player centric view because of my experience as an athlete.

As you said nothing is black and white. Every coach/organization also has different things they value. Usually it never aligns perfectly with what fans and or parents (in my case) expect coaches to value.

I think you made a point early about, at the end of the day we shouldn’t be getting so mad about Marner/leafs playoff woah’s and I agree. It doesn’t make you less of a “die heart” if you choose to believe in this core or if you’re not raging mad after every bad performance.

 

[GoonieFace]

Mitch needs to figure out if he leaves, will the new fans bring toys for his dog? Tre has the leverage here

 

[danny90]

Some people believe he might have already been traded last summer if not for his full NMC. That no trade clause guaranteeing he remain a Leaf unless he gave consent to allow them to move on.

When Marner was an RFA he threatened Leafs management with an Offersheet forcing Leafs management to overpay him to keep him. But he never officially signed it, an indication he never intended to leave only exploit that to his financial gain.

If he once again hopes to remain a Leaf then he is not being forced to sign with another team this time around either as a UFA, and instead should plan on having the playoff of his career and once again force Leafs management hand to meet his demands based on the merits of his contribution.

Point being Marner controls his future and at present NOBODY is forcing him to leave the organization and he controls that even when this contract ends.. However there is one thing perhaps preventing him from being life long Leaf and that really depends on his playoff performance and IF he accepts a contract from Toronto should that be offered, but on their terms. That offer can increase with a successful playoff season for the Leafs, that might not be available today until he PROVES it.

If it’s really only about the MONEY and Marner chooses to leave to chase top $$ then he was really only using the Leafs as a bargaining tool all along for his personal gain. Loyalty is a 2-way street and Marner is currently in the drivers seat.

the balls completely in Marners court and he 100 percent already has an offer from the leafs.

You can look at Trelivings track record or the leafs organization to see they are going to offer him a top contract, Above Nylander.

 

[ACC1224]

Some people believe he might have already been traded last summer if not for his full NMC. That no trade clause guaranteeing he remain a Leaf unless he gave consent to allow them to move on.

When Marner was an RFA he threatened Leafs management with an Offersheet forcing Leafs management to overpay him to keep him. But he never officially signed it, an indication he never intended to leave only exploit that to his financial gain.

If he once again hopes to remain a Leaf then he is not being forced to sign with another team this time around either as a UFA, and instead should plan on having the playoff of his career and once again force Leafs management hand to meet his demands based on the merits of his contribution.

Point being Marner controls his future and at present NOBODY is forcing him to leave the organization and he controls that even when this contract ends.. However there is one thing perhaps preventing him from being life long Leaf and that really depends on his playoff performance and IF he accepts a contract from Toronto should that be offered, but on their terms. That offer can increase with a successful playoff season for the Leafs, that might not be available today until he PROVES it.

If its really only about the MONEY and Marner chooses to leave to chase top $$ then he was really only using the Leafs as a bargaining tool all along for his personal gain. Loyalty is a 2-way street and Marner is currently in the drivers seat.

Some people believe a lot of whacky things.

 

[leafs in five]

Show me a fanbase that is not upset at a team that has failed in 8 straight playoffs with virtually the same core and I will show you an apathetic fanbase. The answer is not, they should stop watching. What a cope out.

it's a shame that the booing Marner until he asks for a trade plan hatched in here over the summer didn't pan out

 

[ToneDog]

If Marner's camp is asking for a number higher than Matthews then we should tell his camp to f*** off and start planning for a future without Marner. Matthews and Marner aren't on the same tier as players, simple as that.

Has a singles hitter ever gotten Ohtani, Soto, Judge, Harper money? Has a pitcher who throws less than 85 mph every gotten Verlander, Cole money?

 

[centipede2233]

the balls completely in Marners court and he 100 percent already has an offer from the leafs.

You can look at Trelivings track record or the leafs organization to see they are going to offer him a top contract, Above Nylander.

And that will surely lead the leafs to multiple cups

 

[Gary Nylund]

If Rantanen hits the UFA market I fully expect Marner to also test.

I hope you're right, but I doubt that Marner takes his cues from Rantanen.

come on

Where are we going?

I think you made a point early about, at the end of the day we shouldn’t be getting so mad about Marner/leafs playoff woah’s and I agree. It doesn’t make you less of a “die heart” if you choose to believe in this core or if you’re not raging mad after every bad performance.

I'm not mad after every bad performance, but I am disappointed after every bad playoff series performance. Is that OK, or should be happy and trumpet my belief in the core every time they disappoint?

 

[Mess]

What evidence is there that they want to change the core?

Not risk losing him for nothing (which I believe they don't want to do), and not having to pay him more than Matthews if he has a good playoff (which I also believe they don't want to do).

No comma required in that sentence.

Shanahan considers changes to Maple Leafs core with ...​

Despite declaring that “everything is on the table” after the 2023-24 season, the ‘Core Four’ remains intact for the 2024-25 season.

At the conclusion of the 2023-24 season, Toronto Maple Leafs President Brendan Shanahan hinted that sweeping changes could be coming to the team’s core. His comments about “everything being on the table” led to speculation that the Leafs’ ‘Core Four’ – Auston Matthews, Mitch Marner, William Nylander, and John Tavares – might be split up. Yet, as the 2024-25 season soon gets underway, that core remains intact.

Shanahan on whether he believes the Leafs can win with the current core​

 

[leafs in five]

Where are we going?

to one of the forensic breakdowns of goal contribution by degree of difficulty