Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Again

[Gary Nylund]

Agreed. The fans picked on him merciless. I bet he walks for free for the abuse he took even though he was our playoff leader in points. Marner is uneducated and does not do well with a camera in his face. I bet he is just counting the days until he can go somewhere where he is appreciated.

LOL. I guess you also missed him recently talking about how he's treated like a god in Toronto.

NHL players are severely under paid, because the cap was low many players used limited/full NTC’s and NMC’s as leverage to sign. Maybe as the cap goes up we’ll see less of them.

Based on what?

 

[francis246]

LOL. I guess you also missed him recently talking about how he's treated like a god in Toronto.


Based on what?

Relative to other athletes in other major sports. Bench NBA players are making more than Connor McDavid.

Same with utility infielders making more than start NHLers. IKF a blue jays was making 7.5 a year for example.

Chris Boucher on the raptors makes 10.81 USD per year.

 

[Craig Button]

They know that marner Tavares Willy and matthews ALL of them have disappointed in the playoffs
Even if they lose in the first round they will still sign marner
They are a worse team without him and don’t give me the we can replace him with a 7 and 6 million dollar replacement
They will never ever lose a player like marner for nothing allowing him to UFA

He can only be replaced with an Elite playmaker and an elite power play killer

Fortunately for him there’s no one else in The NHL that is great at both as he is

 

[Gabriel426]

You are right but in the AVs/Canes trade, I would say Ranta is the Kawhi and Necas is the Derozan.

Rantanen is the closest to Kawhi as he won a Cup, performed in playoffs and in his prime.

 

[Gabriel426]

Relative to other athletes in other major sports. Bench NBA players are making more than Connor McDavid.

Same with utility infielders making more than start NHLers. IKF a blue jays was making 7.5 a year for example.

Chris Boucher on the raptors makes 10.81 USD per year.

As much as I agree with you to some extend.

We also needs to look at the revenue each league generates and the percentage of the revenue towards the players.
Kind of like Women footballers wanting equal wages with Men Footballers, the % is actually higher in Women football but the amount is tiny compared to Men as Men bring in a lot more revenue.

Like I think the highest NBA contract is 63mil or something, there 2/3 of the NHL cap.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Relative to other athletes in other major sports. Bench NBA players are making more than Connor McDavid.

Same with utility infielders making more than start NHLers. IKF a blue jays was making 7.5 a year for example.

Chris Boucher on the raptors makes 10.81 USD per year.

Just because there's more money in other sports doesn't make NHL players underpaid. The money is what it is, the owners and the players negotiate how they divide the pie and that's that.

As much as I agree with you to some extend.

We also needs to look at the revenue each league generates and the percentage of the revenue towards the players.
Kind of like Women footballers wanting equal wages with Men Footballers, the % is actually higher in Women football but the amount is tiny compared to Men as Men bring in a lot more revenue.

Like I think the highest NBA contract is 63mil or something, there 2/3 of the NHL cap.

You could look at lacrosse where players are in a similar place to where NHL players were way back when - most players had other jobs in the off-season in order to make ends meet.

Like you said - the revenue is what it is. It would be stupid for an NHL player to complain that he's underpaid when these guys are among the richest athletes in the world.

 

[francis246]

As much as I agree with you to some extend.

We also needs to look at the revenue each league generates and the percentage of the revenue towards the players.
Kind of like Women footballers wanting equal wages with Men Footballers, the % is actually higher in Women football but the amount is tiny compared to Men as Men bring in a lot more revenue.

Like I think the highest NBA contract is 63mil or something, there 2/3 of the NHL cap.

Like I said it’s relative to their counter parts. They are definitely under paid. And there’s a reason players have been pushing for higher salaries. There’s no reason why the NHL’s best player shouldn’t be able to command more.

If you actually do research this is what The owners wanted the whole time. It’s the whole reason why they locked out in 2005. They wanted a restrictive cap to control player salaries. I get we are all trained to look at things from a team first point of view. But players prior to 2005 were making $10 million. Almost 20 years later they are making the same salaries. That really has nothing to do with revenue. The revenue has been there for the NHL. That’s why we are seeing such drastic increases now because they are 20 years behind, instead of scaling appropriately every year since 2005. The older players in the league are also to blame, it’s why so many players regret 2005, they just wanted to play, they didn’t understand what they were agreeing to.

Completely understand some teams were going bankcrupt in 2005 as well. But there still could have been a better sliding scale.

This video explains it better.

 

[francis246]

Just because there's more money in other sports doesn't make NHL players underpaid. The money is what it is, the owners and the players negotiate how they divide the pie and that's that.


You could look at lacrosse where players are in a similar place to where NHL players were way back when - most players had other jobs in the off-season in order to make ends meet.

Like you said - the revenue is what it is. It would be stupid for an NHL player to complain that he's underpaid when these guys are among the richest athletes in the world.

The average NHLer is not even close to being among the richest athletes. As with everything. You have outliers at the top and outliers at the bottom. But I’ll have to find it, I’m not even sure if NHLers are even top 5 in terms of average athlete salary.

Also when you factor in the risk of injury vs salary it’s even worse. NHL players and NFL players have among the highest risk of injury and the NHL average salary is just barely higher than Serie A and Liliga. The players have a strong argument. Is it good for business, no but they have a legit argument for higher salaries.

 

[Mr_Fun]

Yeah but you know the interwebs, you're either on one side or the other, and if you're on the blue team then the red team is going to slag ya!

Yeah, pretty tribal, much like politics.