Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Again

[Racer88]

Meanwhile Colorado just traded Rantanen...

Some GM’ are not terrified to mix up their team in the hopes of getting better.
I would offer Tavares a deal at 4.5, jettison Marner and have 10’s of millions to retool the team.
It sucks to let an asset go for nothing but that’s on Dubas for the full no trade/no move

 

[Dekes For Days]

While true, we were the #1 seed with a .625 season winning percentage while they were the last seed with a .429 winning percentage.

It should also be noted that what a team 'is' changes pretty drastically when they're getting 0.901 goaltending vs. when they're getting 0.932 goaltending. They didn't have their best player for the majority of the regular season, let alone playing like that.

Marner taking two stupid delay of game penalties in game 7 to boot.

There weren't any delay of game penalties in game 7. You may be thinking of the one delay of game penalty in game 6 (three minutes before Marner drew a penalty back), that we only remember because of a bad challenge.

 

[DarkKnight]

As expected, the cap is going to rise rapidly the next three years. Marner at 13 looks less and less egregious. Also, expect free agents to get way over paid, so this idea we can go find value elsewhere, less likely. We can sign Marner, AND have room for other players with the cap acceleration. Three big contracts are fine.

Just sign him.

 

[francis246]

We need to not put people needing new contracts with Matthews. Knies numbers with Matthews are incredible but not very good without him.

Absolutely, his production without Matthews has suffered a lot. I know you’ve been pushing it a lot but I do wonder what a Knies, Domi, Matthews line could do. Domi is similar to Marner but more physical and a better skater, so maybe their forecheck is a lot more effective. Hopefully they give it a try because it could be magic.

At the end of the day I hope Knies takes a deal that solidifies him as a leaf. He’s gonna be an important piece, he’ll get his money one way or another but I hope he thinks more about winning here than just the money.

 

[Dekes For Days]

I believe at no time in history in the cap era has any team spent 50% of their cap on 2 wingers and 2 centres

Because that's an absurdly specific scenario that no team has had any real opportunity to do. Not to mention the fact that teams used now illegal cap circumventing contracts to avoid that for half the cap era.

And when teams have historically signed a few players to a high percentage of the cap, that percentage has dropped pretty quickly through every point in the cap era except the ~5 year period directly after our signings. That's really warped our view. Say we re-sign Marner and Tavares for what, 20m? That's 45m total. That would be below 40% by just 2027.

as far as the rest of the team you are right however the rest has been rebuilt multiple times by Dubas and Treliving with no playoff success, multiple coaches and assistant coaches as well. This core might be talented individuals but they just do not work together

Changing other things and getting the same result does not automatically make the issue the core. That's just falling back into the correlation=causation trap again.

 

[Menzinger]

Tre's.challenge will be to make sure they use the current cap for aav co.parsbles and not the hypothetical cap 3 seasons from now.

With that said,.today's formal projections have likely been the last nail in guaranteeing a Marner extension - unless the player himself desires a change of scenery

with these cap projections Mitch is getting 13+

I think there's a decent chance he'll have a higher aav than Matthews but with 8 years of term.