Miscellaneous NHL Discussion XCIV: From Ghost to Hakstol and all things in between

[DancingPanther]

double edit lol

PROUD PLAT

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Calgary is a mess. They went all in with the Huberdeau, Weegar, & Kadri contracts this summer too. The first two’s contracts don’t kick in until the 2023-2024 season.

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

Calgary is a mess. They went all in with the Huberdeau, Weegar, & Kadri contracts this summer too. The first two’s contracts don’t kick in until the 2023-2024 season.

Thank f***ing god. Guy sucked.

 

[CanadianFlyer88]

For some reason I was thinking Dallas-New Jersey in 2000 was 7 games. Crazy it's been so long.

Funny enough, my first inkling was that the Arnott OT winner was a Game 7, so I looked it up.

That's what led me to the 1954 series.

 

[landsbergfan]

Calgary is a mess. They went all in with the Huberdeau, Weegar, & Kadri contracts this summer too. The first two’s contracts don’t kick in until the 2023-2024 season.

I know a lot of it was bandaids, but they did have decent metrics outside of markstrom being a sieve

 

[CanadianFlyer88]

I know a lot of it was bandaids, but they did have decent metrics outside of markstrom being a sieve

And Vladar.

The new guys had a hard time adjusting, which isn't abnormal. The Flames are a good candidate for a strong bounce back next season... if they have a goalie who can stop pucks.

Wolf may be ready to make the jump and the Flames will be a good team if he's competent.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

Funny enough, my first inkling was that the Arnott OT winner was a Game 7, so I looked it up.

That's what led me to the 1954 series.

When it finally does happen, the winning goal will probably be one of the most famous and replayed ones ever. The player will be a legend for his franchise. Kind of crazy it’s been so long. We are long overdue for a SCF golden goal

 

[Flyerfan4life]

And Vladar.

The new guys had a hard time adjusting, which isn't abnormal. The Flames are a good candidate for a strong bounce back next season... if they have a goalie who can stop pucks.

Wolf may be ready to make the jump and the Flames will be a good team if he's competent.

send them Hart for parts unknown

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

 

[Rebels57]

The only time I can remember the Flyers being heavily favored and upset was in 1996 vs the Panthers. The Flyers were the #1 seed and Panthers #4 seed, but the Flyers were considered the Cup favorites. That Florida team caught lightning in a bottle though, not unlike Montreal a few years back. It happens.

 

[ponder719]

Didn't do this before, probably wise, but let's just put this on record so we can all point and laugh later.

Head predicts:

Edmonton over Vegas
Dallas over Seattle
Toronto over Florida
Carolina over (bonus prediction) New Jersey
Edmonton over Dallas
Carolina over Toronto
Carolina over Edmonton (dragging out the misery of a) Canada, b) Toronto, and c) Connor McDavid)

Heart wants:
Vegas over Edmonton
Seattle over Dallas
Florida over Toronto
Carolina over Rangers (in 4, screw them both, but a primary red team vs. a primary blue team is more aesthetically appealing than two red teams playing each other)
Seattle over Vegas
Florida over Carolina
Seattle over Florida (we've never had a Cup final between two seeds this low, so that'd be extra fun for me, and either way, first time champ. I just happen to like Seattle better than Miami.)

 

[iceman42]

What a night! Boston losing was my Stanley Cup. Not as great as the Flyers coming back from 3 down to win, but still pretty close.

 

[kudymen]

The Boston loss is about a million-times less surprising than the usual suspects and also the sudden quietness on the "Boooohoo but Zito" front

 

[deadhead]

Boston lost primarily b/c Ullmark couldn't handle playoff pressure.

We've seen the same with Bob over the years, great regular seasons and mediocre to bad playoff performances - some players rise to the occasion, some don't.

As far as Zito:
Tkachuk was a good pickup, but FLA the next three seasons has (2) 2nd and (2) 3rd rd picks.
Lundell took a step back this season, if he doesn't develop they're awfully thin up front, Cousins on the 2nd line?, and they're thin on defense.
Wheeler had their pipeline ranked 26th as of January, 2023. Not a lot of help on the way.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

The only time I can remember the Flyers being heavily favored and upset was in 1996 vs the Panthers. The Flyers were the #1 seed and Panthers #4 seed, but the Flyers were considered the Cup favorites. That Florida team caught lightning in a bottle though, not unlike Montreal a few years back. It happens.

That 2010 Montreal team might be one of the flukiest teams to reach a conference finals after taking down Washington & Pittsburgh before losing to the Flyers. Two players hitting a nuclear PDO in Cammalleri & Halak propped up an otherwise average team. Cammalleri scored 12 goals in 13 games against those two teams (he went on to score 1 goal in 5 games against the Flyers).

 

[Larry44]

The only time I can remember the Flyers being heavily favored and upset was in 1996 vs the Panthers. The Flyers were the #1 seed and Panthers #4 seed, but the Flyers were considered the Cup favorites. That Florida team caught lightning in a bottle though, not unlike Montreal a few years back. It happens.

Meh. The league let the Panthers get away with mass tackling of the Flyers' star forwards. It was a joke.

 

[Starat327]

I always love when people question orher's mental state when they have literally zero knowledge of the situation.

Question a kid throwing a wheelchair down the stairs? Lets wait for more information.

Goalie doesn't play well(and his defense collapsed in front of him, allowing a shots almost a full two feet closer to the net, on average, per NST)? What a mental weenie.

Hooray for consistency though.

 

[Curufinwe]

Boston have been consistently good since the salary cap came in after the 2005 lockout, and they only have one measly Cup to show for it. And they only got that one due to a goalie playing out of his mind. If TT was just very good and not excellent, Vancouver win.

2nd best P% behind Vegas

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[Magua]

Tkachuk was a good pickup, but

There's a "but" for this "good pickup"? They acquired long-term a top 10 forward in the league at his performance peak. As chief Ristolainen what-does-it-matter defender, way to minimize this one. NHL GMs have wet dreams about making trades like that one.

They didn't f*** up trading a 1st for Giroux, nor did they for Tkachuk, nor did they for Reinhart. The other one, sure, bad move. But this goes back to the idea: 1st round picks are not sacred, and they do not need to be utilized at a podium on a summer night. They're just assets. Not having a 1st round pick (or 2nd round pick) is not the issue, so much as what you spend it on. Florida acquired needle movers, and not just rental ones.

Some teams are just better than others when it comes to pro level acquisitions. As a Flyers fan, you should understand that concept. 2/3 of Florida's top defensemen were acquired for a 3rd rounder and as a waiver claim. Their top 9 consists of a 40 goal UFA they originally signed for $1MM ($4.1MM today), a 2nd round pick trade, a $1.7MM UFA ($3MM today), and a young throw-in to the Trocheck trade. They did it with Marchment the year prior. It's not unlike Colorado, which you pooh-pooh. They aren't by and large a great drafting team, but they make up for it by slaughtering at the pro level. I'll add that Lundell and Samoskevich are 2 good long-term pieces.

 

[CanadianFlyer88]

I always love when people question orher's mental state when they have literally zero knowledge of the situation.

Question a kid throwing a wheelchair down the stairs? Lets wait for more information.

Goalie doesn't play well(and his defense collapsed in front of him, allowing a shots almost a full two feet closer to the net, on average, per NST)? What a mental weenie.

Hooray for consistency though.

If this info passed to Weekes is true, it's even more unbelievable that the Bruins didn't bring in Swayman earlier in the series. Ullmark wasn't used to playing so many games in a row and Swayman was more than capable playing every third game or so.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

I always love when people question orher's mental state when they have literally zero knowledge of the situation.

Question a kid throwing a wheelchair down the stairs? Lets wait for more information.

Goalie doesn't play well(and his defense collapsed in front of him, allowing a shots almost a full two feet closer to the net, on average, per NST)? What a mental weenie.

Hooray for consistency though.

If that is true the coaching staff deserves to take some heat for not pulling the plug on Ullmark sooner. Then there is the Bergeron situation. He talked the coach into playing a meaningless game in game 82 against Montreal. He gets hurt and misses 4 playoff games.
That situation should sound familiar. 2000 ECF against NJ. 3-1 series lead without Lindros. Much like in 2000 they should of held out Bergeron with full control of the series after 4 games

 

[kudymen]

I always love when people question orher's mental state when they have literally zero knowledge of the situation.

Question a kid throwing a wheelchair down the stairs? Lets wait for more information.

Goalie doesn't play well(and his defense collapsed in front of him, allowing a shots almost a full two feet closer to the net, on average, per NST)? What a mental weenie.

Hooray for consistency though.

You forgot the lady having beers in her profile picture. f*** that was messed up

 

[Curufinwe]

Sounds familiar…

“He’s a firm coach, a hard coach, demanding coach,” Maloney said. “There’s a shelf-life to that type of coaching. Unfortunately for us, it felt his time expired with us.”

It had become clear to many around the league, let alone those in Calgary, that Sutter’s voice, tactics and antics — despite his resume and wealth of experience — had become antiquated. The team’s marquee acquisitions didn’t perform at the level they needed to be at this season and Sutter didn’t necessarily help them achieve the level they should be playing at.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Boston lost primarily b/c Ullmark couldn't handle playoff pressure.

We've seen the same with Bob over the years, great regular seasons and mediocre to bad playoff performances - some players rise to the occasion, some don't.

As far as Zito:
Tkachuk was a good pickup, but FLA the next three seasons has (2) 2nd and (2) 3rd rd picks.
Lundell took a step back this season, if he doesn't develop they're awfully thin up front, Cousins on the 2nd line?, and they're thin on defense.
Wheeler had their pipeline ranked 26th as of January, 2023. Not a lot of help on the way.

He was injured dude

Also, Fletcher is gone. You don't need to keep tearing down better GMs to pretend he's equivalent to them.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

I’m not doubting that but they lost Gaudreau & Tkachuk, that was a lot of production out the door from last year’s team. That’s 219 points (82 of them goals) from last year with those players. They got 111 points (39 of them goals) from Kadri & Huberdeau this year.