DancingPanther
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Miscellaneous NHL Discussion LVII: Countdown to June 2nd and the draft lottery
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I do think the intangibles can matter. But the way Hockey Guys just lazily leap to that wet pile to dredge out "analysis" like this is downright boring. It's a default thought-free response that liberates them from having to actually analyze a team. It's stupid. Especially since there's an abundance of intangibly awful teams and players throughout sports, including hockey, who have won. If intangibles are such an urgent, overriding factor that trumps all, even matching or exceeding roster construction, then that shouldn't happen.
The 80s Mets and Raiders were dumpsters of humanity and it didn't matter. Yzerman, Ovechkin, Stamkos, and Crosby were all derided as toxic losers on teams loaded with more of the same; choke artists. It didn't matter. Ty Cobb's biggest rival was his own teammate, Crawford. They hated each other. Didn't stop them from becoming the GOAT double steal combination.
The first example that comes to mind of intangibles definitively being the primary, true cause of failure are the 1919 White Sox. A team that was full-blown great despite everyone hating each others guts and actively playing to spite and hurt one another, culminating in players fixing the World Series against themselves. And even then, despite these flaws that should have been crippling, the team was so good that it made the throw obvious immediately.
The last time the Flyers went to the Finals was with a squad that was reputed to be thoroughly toxic with trash leadership and riven into factions, and yet none of that slowed them down; it was bad goaltending. The same trash elements were later crucial to two wins elsewhere, because the truth is that this stuff isn't nearly as important most of the time as writers and fans claim.
Intangibles as presented by hockey media are nonsense. They're a lazy bullshit crutch used by lazy bullshit writers to perpetuate a lazy circle jerk narrative that keeps fans stupid and prevents them from having to do work or risk offending the hockey management they worship while using puddles of their own drool as prayer mats.
The 80s Mets and Raiders were dumpsters of humanity and it didn't matter. Yzerman, Ovechkin, Stamkos, and Crosby were all derided as toxic losers on teams loaded with more of the same; choke artists. It didn't matter. Ty Cobb's biggest rival was his own teammate, Crawford. They hated each other. Didn't stop them from becoming the GOAT double steal combination.
The first example that comes to mind of intangibles definitively being the primary, true cause of failure are the 1919 White Sox. A team that was full-blown great despite everyone hating each others guts and actively playing to spite and hurt one another, culminating in players fixing the World Series against themselves. And even then, despite these flaws that should have been crippling, the team was so good that it made the throw obvious immediately.
The last time the Flyers went to the Finals was with a squad that was reputed to be thoroughly toxic with trash leadership and riven into factions, and yet none of that slowed them down; it was bad goaltending. The same trash elements were later crucial to two wins elsewhere, because the truth is that this stuff isn't nearly as important most of the time as writers and fans claim.
Intangibles as presented by hockey media are nonsense. They're a lazy bullshit crutch used by lazy bullshit writers to perpetuate a lazy circle jerk narrative that keeps fans stupid and prevents them from having to do work or risk offending the hockey management they worship while using puddles of their own drool as prayer mats.
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Strip McDavid & Giroux of the "c" and give them both to simmonds!!
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It’s not easy winning championships in hockey even for good teams. There’s a lot of luck & randomness involved. But main stream hockey media is incapable of just saying this. We need some narrative instead to explain why something did or didn’t happen which usually misses the target.
Edmonton wasn’t really that bad as you’d think this series even though got swept either.
Now I don’t think they’re a good team in a general sense & McDavid is in his prime & they’re still toiling away there which isn’t good. I have no faith in Holland adding pieces to help there either.
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Actually kind of excited to see what TNT does with their broadcast. Could be refreshing.
FlyerNutter
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That Gretzky booze is supposed to be okay. Never had but a buddy is pretty fond of it.
I'm surprised there's any left to sell to other people after he's had at it, the drunk bastard.
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FlyerNutter
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Think he stopped coaching around 2010.
The booze started in 2017 if I’m right.
Guy ran away from the Coyotes to start his own distillery/winery. Genius haha
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“Mr. McGuire, exactly what unique skills would you bring to the table here at TNT?”
“Very glad you asked. I am the only commentator in hockey who can be classified as both an analyst and therapist.”
FlyerNutter
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Elliote Friedman on Gretzky joining TNT.
“Our jobs are now even more in peril”
“Our jobs are now even more in peril”
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Insane pass by Galchenyuk (of all people) to Nylander. Thats gotta sting for Habs fans.
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DancingPanther
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Me and my brother were talking about this. Their NBA coverage is excellent both in entertainment and in analysis. It's not obnoxious, they all are good analysts who make good points, they all are in touch with the game, and EJ the moderator not only understands the sport but isn't a Ken doll dickhead. They make it something you actually want to watch (on a much more consistent basis than any other halftime/post game shit)
If they could do something similar with the NHL that'd be cool- a dual post game/around the league show. I mean, just something that isn't a chore would be a win.
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“Mr. McGuire, exactly what unique skills would you bring to the table here at TNT?”
“Very glad you asked. I am the only commentator in hockey who can be classified as both an analyst and therapist.”
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That guy just had another insane assist. Talking about skating ability! Rushed the puck up for a sweet dish
edit; so I assume he played for the Habs?
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