NHL Talk Miscellaneous NHL Discussion CIX: Processing a Tremendous Amount of Insane Information

[MacDonald4MVP]

After Seattle hired simple Dave I couldn't imagine worse coaching decision. Well, until they decided to revive disco dan's nhl career.

 

[Curufinwe]

Redwings going streaking

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Chuck took this from us…

 

[MacDonald4MVP]

Haysie's pens lost to Cambo's bolts after outshooting them 2 to 1. Love to see it.

 

[Strawberry Fields]

Cutter with two goals (including an OT winner) against the Canes, lol.

Well, that settles it. Clearly our model is vastly superior to Carolina's.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Cutter with two goals (including an OT winner) against the Canes, lol.

Well, that settles it. Clearly our model is vastly superior to Carolina's.

I would have won a grand if this happened yesterday. The f***?

 

[Curufinwe]

All that huffing and puffing last night, and yet the Ducks and Flyers are tied for 26th

 

[freakydallas13]

All that huffing and puffing last night, and yet the Ducks and Flyers are tied for 26th

But are the ducks top 3 in even strength over 20 games?

Yeah, didn't think so.

 

[Curufinwe]

Would be funny if Gauthier said he just wanted to play somewhere that had won a Cup in his lifetime.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Would be funny if Gauthier said he just wanted to play somewhere that had won a Cup in his lifetime.

or had a chance to.

 

[freakydallas13]

Would be funny if Gauthier said he just wanted to play somewhere that had won a Cup in his lifetime.

I mean we don't even know for sure that isn't the reason. It very well could be, and could also be the reason he won't tell us why he requested a trade.

 

[Strawberry Fields]

None of this means a thing, but Mason deserves a spot imo. Ignoring the fact that the guy who was on his way to potentially making this list has been essentially unpersoned, there's seriously no one better than Cechmanek or Boucher in 25 ****ing years? And surely there's a better choice than Provy for the fourth d spot, too?

 

[Magua]

Can you imagine how upset Provorov would be if he didn’t make that team over Ghost and Sanheim? Can’t have that. Not even now. Also, he’d make Pronger play RD.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Every single 2nd Team Forward has a better argument than Richards. All of them.

 

[Strawberry Fields]

I was surprised by the lack of Carter, but I guess Richie was always more of "hockey guy" catnip

Every single 2nd Team Forward has a better argument than Richards. All of them.

I would've put Voracek on the 1st team myself.

 

[CanadianFlyer88]

I think I could make an argument for Johnsson, Carle, Coburn and Streit over Provy, let alone Sanheim (obvious #4 IMO) or Ghost (who the team would never consider).

Jake over Richards is an obvious choice, too. Richards only had four good seasons and six total seasons with the Flyers which is easy to forget given that he was the captain of the 2010 run. TK hasn't had enough runway yet, but he's close to knocking Richards out of the top 6 for me, as well.

 

[Strawberry Fields]

I don't think he beats out TK or Carter but I think Simmer deserves an HM at forward because damn do I still love the guy.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I think I could make an argument for Johnsson, Carle, Coburn and Streit over Provy, let alone Sanheim (obvious #4 IMO) or Ghost (who the team would never consider).

I apologize for being too nice. In addition to all of those, I think I'd prefer Pitkanen and Gudas to Provorov despite the service time differences.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Was Desjardins even first team good in the 2000s?

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[deadhead]

I apologize for being too nice. In addition to all of those, I think I'd prefer Pitkanen and Gudas to Provorov despite the service time differences.

Gudas was solid, but also sheltered.
Provorov was 1st pair his time here, maybe not good enough for 1st pair on a top team, but forced in that role.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Gudas was solid, but also sheltered.
Provorov was 1st pair his time here, maybe not good enough for 1st pair on a top team, but forced in that role.

Maybe not good. Correct. He wasn't good. That really should end the conversation!

But in this case, we have so much more. He refused to ever try to play the other side and was such a problem that they felt they couldn't risk losing him mentally if they demoted him in any way. He's one of the worst choices you could possibly make for a team like this. His entire case comes down to bad coaches playing him a lot plus two productive half seasons in which he was the 2nd best player on his own pair.

I would go as far as saying Provorov is a perfect litmus test of whether you care enough to go beyond platitudes.

 

[DancingPanther]

For being such a hockey guy icon, Provorov sure is soft. We should recall how viscerally offended he was of a few stripes of colors

 

[FLYguy3911]

Was Niskanen an honorable mention?

 

[deadhead]

Maybe not good. Correct. He wasn't good. That really should end the conversation!

But in this case, we have so much more. He refused to ever try to play the other side and was such a problem that they felt they couldn't risk losing him mentally if they demoted him in any way. He's one of the worst choices you could possibly make for a team like this. His entire case comes down to bad coaches playing him a lot plus two productive half seasons in which he was the 2nd best player on his own pair.

I would go as far as saying Provorov is a perfect litmus test of whether you care enough to go beyond platitudes.

My point was more that Gudas was a really good 3rd pair D-man, but that's a far more sheltered role.

Provorov was given too much responsibility too fast and never grew into the role.
How much was bad coaching (i.e. desperation given the alternatives), how much was Provorov being stubborn?
Though in the 2018 playoffs, Ghost went MIA while Provorov shined. But he never was able to regain that level of play.

But people who think he was traded because of the "rainbow" incident ignore his history, he was the kind of player you don't rebuild around, so you get maximum value while you can.

I think I could make an argument for Johnsson, Carle, Coburn and Streit over Provy, let alone Sanheim (obvious #4 IMO) or Ghost (who the team would never consider).

Jake over Richards is an obvious choice, too. Richards only had four good seasons and six total seasons with the Flyers which is easy to forget given that he was the captain of the 2010 run. TK hasn't had enough runway yet, but he's close to knocking Richards out of the top 6 for me, as well.

I'd go TK over Jake and Richards. TK has had a long glide path, but he's truly become a team leader.

He's our Marchand, you hate him if you're a fan of other teams b/c he's obnoxious, but love him when he's yours because he "can walk the walk." That is, his play backs up his mouth.

Voracek was second fiddle to G, but TK the last few years has had to hold the fort with few reinforcements.

 

[Beef Invictus]

None of this means a thing, but Mason deserves a spot imo. Ignoring the fact that the guy who was on his way to potentially making this list has been essentially unpersoned, there's seriously no one better than Cechmanek or Boucher in 25 ****ing years? And surely there's a better choice than Provy for the fourth d spot, too?

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Yeah, Sanheim and Ghost over Provorov is an easy and deserving adjustment.

Mason over Boosh easily.