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[TCTC]

From Presidents trophy to last in the division in a year. Looks like an almost unprecedented fall from grace.

They haven't really lost any players either.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Are the Rangers going to be bad enough to have a chance at the top pick?

Lotto will give them shot

But with talent they have its hard to see them finishing at bottom of league with Sharks, Hawks and Preds who look like favorites to have best odds at #1 pick

This draft at top though has pretty good talent 1-4 that one can argue any of those 4 can go #1 so just getting near bottom may be enough to land impact player

 

[ellja3]

I get most wouldn’t touch that contract, but I’d buy into Shesterkin if I was Briere.

You’ve maybe got your chance to get elite talent into the most important position in the game. For a BS retool going to have to rely on above average goalie play to have a shot in hell - I’d explore the deal if the Rangers are willing to panic.

He’s the number 2 goalie in the league behind Helle imo.

I'd maybe start considering it if Flyers were capable of making good value deals to fill the rest of roster. Clearly, if you pay that much to one goalie, you have to be creative and get some bargains to have nicely filled skater lines. Does, for example, Deslauriers contract give you confidence Flyers FO are capable of that?

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Unloading Trouba & Goodrow’s bad contracts unscathed at least give them some avenue to reup. They might look to unload another big contract or two with underperforming & aging players like Zibanejad or Kreider.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Unloading Trouba & Goodrow’s bad contracts unscathed at least give them some avenue to reup. They might look to unload another big contract or two with underperforming & aging players like Zibanejad or Kreider.

They followed up Trouba good with bad of giving Shets a rather horrible longterm deal

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

"Never called around the league": NHL insider Frank Seravalli offers new insight into Red Wings' trade to Sharks involving $10.2M defenseman

San Jose Sharks defenseman Jake Walman was traded this offseason from the Detroit Red Wings along with a 2024 second-round draft pick.

www.sportskeeda.com

Trade was Gostisbehere like from the beginning. He had a down year last year even by the numbers but it wasn’t awful or anything plus he had the track record in previous seasons before that.

 

[FlyerNutter]

I'd maybe start considering it if Flyers were capable of making good value deals to fill the rest of roster. Clearly, if you pay that much to one goalie, you have to be creative and get some bargains to have nicely filled skater lines. Does, for example, Deslauriers contract give you confidence Flyers FO are capable of that?

Reality land says no, but even I have to hope they figure it out. 20 years of garbage would be tough to swallow.

With THEIR plan to be competitive, I dont see it happening with an average goalie. They will need a true upper echelon guy to overcome a glaring weakness in high end forward/defensive talent.

I might be a bit solo in my evaluation of goaltenders, their importance to the game. The position is risky as performance fluctuates, but I do think Shesterkin is a guy that more often than naught - has the talent level to gamble that risk.

Again, depends on if Drury is willing to panic - but I'd have strong interest. The contract is worrisome, but I'd rather take the risk on a poor contract with a guy that can actually win you a few playoff rounds vs overpaying a bunch of mediocre vanilla guys that don't move the needle what so ever.

I'd do the same with Saros honestly. If they can get a top 5 goaltender in the game, you make that happen. They don't have the skill in scouting, or overall as a FO to win without one. No way in hell.

Helle
Shesterkin
Demko
Vas
Saros

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

From Presidents trophy to last in the division in a year. Looks like an almost unprecedented fall from grace.

They haven't really lost any players either.

True but things like Alexis Lafreniere taking a step back and not building off his promising 2023-24 season has been issue for Rangers

Back again to being guy with major ? going forward but this time has sizeable long-term deal while having those ?

 

[GKJ]

"Never called around the league": NHL insider Frank Seravalli offers new insight into Red Wings' trade to Sharks involving $10.2M defenseman

San Jose Sharks defenseman Jake Walman was traded this offseason from the Detroit Red Wings along with a 2024 second-round draft pick.

www.sportskeeda.com

Yzerman is cooked, it’s just a matter of when ownership has the heart to do it.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Lotto will give them shot

But with talent they have its hard to see them finishing at bottom of league with Sharks, Hawks and Preds who look like favorites to have best odds at #1 pick

This draft at top though has pretty good talent 1-4 that one can argue any of those 4 can go #1 so just getting near bottom may be enough to land impact player

sweet.. it'll be awesome watching those clubs get top talent while we pick a nobody at 13th as usual...

 

[deadhead]

Goalie is the last piece, if you can dominate at 5x5, have solid STs, you can be a marginal PO team even with a bad goalie, and then you're one deal or a good draft pick away from being a SC contender.

This is why I agree with the philosophy that you take a goalie in the 3rd to 5th rd every year if one is available with upside. Never know when a Dostal will emerge.

 

[Cody Webster]

 

[MacDonald4MVP]

Unloading Trouba & Goodrow’s bad contracts unscathed at least give them some avenue to reup. They might look to unload another big contract or two with underperforming & aging players like Zibanejad or Kreider.

Kreider has 3 years left at 6.5 nothing horrendous and they won't do any better on the free market plus it's to be expected for a player entering his mid thirties who relies on his separation speed to be the difference maker to see some dropoff. What's weird is the zibanejad whose play fell off the cliff while staying completely healthy.

 

[let it ride]

Goalie is the last piece, if you can dominate at 5x5, have solid STs, you can be a marginal PO team even with a bad goalie, and then you're one deal or a good draft pick away from being a SC contender.

This is why I agree with the philosophy that you take a goalie in the 3rd to 5th rd every year if one is available with upside. Never know when a Dostal will emerge.

Agree, though the other half is identifying one. Flyers have a few with some promise so time will tell.

 

[Curufinwe]

Toronto should trade for Frost.

 

[deadhead]

I still can't figure out if the Caps are for real.
Partially the goalies -0.48 (GA - xGA)/60, 2nd to Winnipeg. Not sure Thompson is that good.

D Strome FA-2023, 5yr/$5M
Protas, #91-2021, drafted off mediocre season, better PO, ok D+1, ok KHL D+2, ok, AHL, 4th line at 22, 3rd line at 23, top 6 at 24. 6'6 225, gambled on him putting it together
McMichael #25-2019, meh center at 23, moves to RW and blossoms
Dubois, 6-19-24, T for Darcy Kuemper
Wilson #16-2012
Ovechkin (39)

Eller (35) 11-12-24, T 2027 3rd, 2025 5th
Mangiapane 6-7-24, T 2025 2n
Raddysh, FA-2024, 1yr/$1M
Dowd (34)
Miroshnichenko #20-2022
Duhaime FA-2024 2yr/$1.85M

Carlson (35)
Sandin 2-28-23 T with Toronto 1st for Gustaffson (salary dump)
Chychrun 7-1-24 T 2026 2nd, Jensen
Roy FA-2024 6yr/$5.75M
Fehervary FA-2023 3yr/$2.675
TVR (33)

Thompson 6-29-04 T 2024 3rd, 2025 3rd
Lindgren FA-22

 

[DancingPanther]

What happened to him? I know he missed a nice month+ but I haven't really stayed in the NHL loop very tightly

 

[Cody Webster]

What happened to him? I know he missed a nice month+ but I haven't really stayed in the NHL loop very tightly

Other than them saying an upper body injury, I'm not sure if anyone really knows. I don't know why I'm thinking it's a shoulder issue, but I could just be making that up.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

No idea if these numbers are right but they’re telling me something.

 

[freakydallas13]

No idea if these numbers are right but they’re telling me something.

Does the arena actually look almost full in person?

 

[Kelmitchell2]

Celebrini just broke goncalves ankles lmao

 

[Curufinwe]

So basically Vancouver have to trade Miller or Pettersen cause they hate each other?

Teammates disliking each other isn't new, but one of your best players taking a midseason break because he despises the highest paid player seems incredible. Is that what happened?

 

[BillDineen]

So basically Vancouver have to trade Miller or Pettersen cause they hate each other?

Teammates disliking each other isn't new, but one of your best players taking a midseason break because he despises the highest paid player seems incredible. Is that what happened?

Joking, but maybe:

 

[Cody Webster]

Love to see it, or not see it

 

[Flyer lurker]

Love to see it, or not see it