NHL Talk Miscellaneous NHL Discussion CIX: Processing a Tremendous Amount of Insane Information
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So since Slavkovsky got pretty much the same deal Svechnikov did, who would you pick between the two?
kudymen
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So, upon schedule release it is now official that Sabres-Devils on Friday in Prague is the season opener. Nice. @kudymen , is the ''beer in Old Town Prague'' plan still active?
Edit: of course, I am not insisting
Well of course, that was never off the table! Beer plan is a must and will be happy to welcome you! haha
(a few weeks ago I was thinking about ME insisting
)Edit - the other way around reminds me of this meme
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FLYguy3911
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Not the biggest Savoie guy and I get they have to consolidate assets but that seems like a less than ideal trade for Buffalo. Guess the Savoie brothers are reunited.
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Gregor Samsa
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It was definitely time for Buffalo to start bundling a couple good prospects and/or 1st’s for an NHL player…but McLeod?!
Kinda surprised that’s the type they got back for him. Thought they’d use him plus another great prospect for a big name.
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2022 top 10 picks getting sold for great value left and right. Thankfully, Briere got out in front of this trade!
I’m not terribly high on Savoie either, and they chose the right prospect (that's vital) to sell for NHL help. Surprised this is all they could get — and I’ve liked McLeod II since juniors — for a top 10 pick beginning his ELC. Also, I’m not sure this really moves the needle for Edmonton? Obviously, Buffalo improves today and needed some cohesion. I feel conflicted in that I don't think Edmonton really wins as much as it looks in contending, and Buffalo doesn't lose quite as much as it looks? It's not a lose-lose. It feels like a meh-meh, edge in value to Edmonton.
I’m not terribly high on Savoie either, and they chose the right prospect (that's vital) to sell for NHL help. Surprised this is all they could get — and I’ve liked McLeod II since juniors — for a top 10 pick beginning his ELC. Also, I’m not sure this really moves the needle for Edmonton? Obviously, Buffalo improves today and needed some cohesion. I feel conflicted in that I don't think Edmonton really wins as much as it looks in contending, and Buffalo doesn't lose quite as much as it looks? It's not a lose-lose. It feels like a meh-meh, edge in value to Edmonton.
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FLYguy3911
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A guy that was 2 PPG in the WHL and hasn't even started his ELC. Even if he reaches the low end of his potential...hard not to see Edmonton coming out on top of this one even if it's just cost certainty. NHL GMs really do not understand that aspect of asset management.
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This made me think: when was the last time the Flyers made a judgment call on a prospect before or during their ELC? Gauthier doesn't count. Obviously, I don't think this team has been in position to be selling. But there is such a thing as getting out in front of value drops and honestly re-assessing your own talent each year. You can screw that up too!
But I remember Isaac Ratcliffe was an untouchable prospect. You'd never believe it with how the Flyers think they're the smartest team, but they likely value their own prospects way too highly. Only to later tank the NHL usage/value even for the best ones. It's like the worst of both worlds, and it doesn't make sense. I call it: "The Deadhead Prospect Principle."
But I remember Isaac Ratcliffe was an untouchable prospect. You'd never believe it with how the Flyers think they're the smartest team, but they likely value their own prospects way too highly. Only to later tank the NHL usage/value even for the best ones. It's like the worst of both worlds, and it doesn't make sense. I call it: "The Deadhead Prospect Principle."
Sabres are legit dumb. Jesus christ...
Savoie is going to get so much in the way of offense considering who he's going to play with.
Savoie is going to get so much in the way of offense considering who he's going to play with.
LegionOfDoom91
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They can’t even trade aging replacement level players without getting a belly ache.
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I remember Hextall demoted Laughton to the AHL for a whole year, in year 3 of his ELC, and deprived him of PP time (while being their clear cut best 5v5 player) because he didn't like his "attitude" or some shit. He needed to learn his "roll/role." So, they submarined his value as a prospect, per usual. Now, he's untouchable as a 30 year old 3rd liner who GMs aplenty covet. At a certain point, the Flyers have a moral block against creating value and selling high.
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Savoie for Laughton. Now the Oilers have a asset to dangle if need be for immediate help at some point.
sabremike
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Adams was offering him to everyone he talked to and this was the best he could do. What does that tell you about how much everyone in the league values Savoie? This is in some respects a version of the Nino for Clutterbuck trade where a team gave up a prospect with higher skill and ceiling but the guy they got back was far more valuable by filling a role.
Appleyard
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If I were Briere I would have been in on Savoie for sure... he has his flaws but he would be our #2 prospect right now.
Appleyard
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I mean... the Wild won that trade... my brother is a Wild fan and while he loved Clutterbuck I dont think many Wild fans think they lost that one.
One of Chuck Fletcher finer moments.
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As we saw with Gauthier, undoubtedly higher valued than Savoie (note: unsigned but with a hardly restrictive 20 team list), I don't think you can take that at face value. Savoie was rated 9th by McKenzie and hasn't done anything to lower his value in 2 years. Sometimes GMs simply make a self-limiting choice to plug an NHL hole.
I also think McLeod is better than Clutterbuck.
Appleyard
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Savoie has less value as he is 175cm tall. That is it tbh.
He is 20 and looked great in the AHL.
He for sure has flaws... but his trajectory is basically "very likely to be a 2nd liner at worst" with a solid chance of being a 70+ point guy.
sabremike
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Clutter was incredibly valuable to the Islanders as part of the MC2 line that was instrumental to their success. A piece by itself might not be as valuable but if it fits it's incredibly valuable. Clutter ended up being a perfect fit.
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He was a great 4th liner and passable 3rd liner. Yay. On a team that did very little over ten years despite trying to compete, because they only had 1x high end talent for a long time.
Islanders in the 2010s were a great example of how not to build a team.
I actually enjoyed a lot of their bottom six guys a LOT... Clutterbuck, Martin, Cizikas, Chimera... but they leant so hard into the "character" of their team instead of just getting actual good players.
