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We do this every year. You don't completely reset your player opinions every September. Or at least shouldn't.
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We do this every year. You don't completely reset your player opinions every September. Or at least shouldn't.
Cody Webster
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But they finished 7 points behind the Flyers last year, that doesn't make sense,,,,
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What did your eye test tell you?
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I imagine if the Flyers took a maybe Center that could skate like Moore the narrative would be different. 
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On 32TP Friedman said Vegas tried to sign Marchessault to a deferred money deal, but the player wasn't interested in it. He doesn't think the Jarvis contract will start a trend.
He also mentioned that Detroit still has Raymond, Seider and Berggren unsigned.
He also mentioned that Detroit still has Raymond, Seider and Berggren unsigned.
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I don't even know if the Wings are considering trading him, but I'd love for the Flyers to kick tires on Berggren.
BackToTheBrierePatch
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I am not going to be able to afford Seider going forward in my salary cap keeper league.
Blackhawkswincup
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Just curious what exactly is your issue with Moore's game?
From what I have seen he is a fabulous playmaker which seems to go unnoticed by some. In this highlight video you will see alot of great plays and setups from Moore
He was youngest player on Minnesota team and yet finished 2nd in assists with 24 (2 behind fellow Hawk 1st round pick Sam Rinzel) and 3 pts behind leading scorers on team (Pitlick and Brodzinski with 36 pts)
39 GP
9 Goals
24 assists
33 pts
While excelling at both ends of ice
To me that is very impressive showing for an 18 yr old kid playing his first season in NCAA
As Hawk fan I am excited to see how Moore and Rinzel do this year and think both have alot of upside at this point
Rinzel especially has really emerged as a very fine prospect since his draft
Hawks D future
Artyom Levshunov (2024 1st)
Kevin Korchinski (2022 1st)
Sam Rinzel (2022 1st)
Nolan Allan (2021 1st)
Alex Vlasic (2019 2nd)
Wyatt Kaiser (2020 3rd)
Ethan Del Mastro (2021 4th)
Isaak Phillips (2020 5th)
Louis Crevier (2020 7th)
Is deepest and most promising groups of defenders since the early mid 00's when Hawks had Keith, Seabrook, Babchuk, Barker, Hjalmarsson, Byfuglien, Wisniewski and Kukkonen
Vlasic establishing himself last year and showing Hjalmarsson like game was big first step for future on blueline
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deadhead
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Nothing. It was in reference to Bonk and Perreault, both of whom had outstanding D+1 performances.
D+1 isn't a perfect predictor, but it does give a sense who is out (under) performing expectations.
Doesn't mean Moore won't pan out, he just didn't have as impressive a D+1 performance.
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I hope you don't think he actually has any insight into anything
Blackhawkswincup
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No just curious how Moore was picked as a "player team regrets taking" at #19 by him
Same with But who impressed as an 18 yr old in KHL
Also, Barlow scoring 40 goals in 50 games in OHL this past year, doubt the Jets regret taking him and having one of the best pure goal scoring prospects today
Minny on other hand badly errored in Stramel. That was questionable pick at time and looks pretty damn terrible for them at this point
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I'm wary of CHL goal scoring after Ratcliffe scored 50 and Gendron scored 69 in 78 games two years ago. While you want a goal scorer to score goals, it seems it's not that hard in the CHL.
Barlow 50g 21-13 34 at ES, not exactly scintillating.
Compare to Dvorsky (#10) 52g 27-26 53 at ES
Or Musty (#26) 53g 30-40 70 at ES
16 PP goals, but at lower levels, I'm not sure how PP scoring translates.
Butt in KHL 55g 10-11 21 which is good for a 18-19 year old, but playoffs, 19g 1-1 2.
Artamonov (#50-2024): 54g 7-16 23
Ilyin (#142-2023): 65g 12-17 29, 4A in 5 PO games.
Point is these players didn't put up D+1 production that makes you say "can't miss."
Doesn't mean they won't end up as good players, but you like to see prospects make a big jump the season after the draft.
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Imagine saying all the above....then using Bonk's stats in the CHL on a top scoring team as why he had a great D+1 season.
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Bonk 60g 9-20 29 at ES, PO 18g 1-5 6
year before
D-0: 67g 7-12 19 at ES, PO 21g 0-9 9
As a defense first D-man, substantial improvement offensively.
I don't take his PP scoring too seriously, unless you think he'll play the "bumper" in the NHL.
He's not a top ten talent, but his continued improvement bodes well.
Barkey 64g 23-37 60 at ES, PO 18g 5-8 13
D-0: 61g 15-28 43, PO 20g 6-6 12
year before
D-0: 67g 7-12 19 at ES, PO 21g 0-9 9
As a defense first D-man, substantial improvement offensively.
I don't take his PP scoring too seriously, unless you think he'll play the "bumper" in the NHL.
He's not a top ten talent, but his continued improvement bodes well.
Barkey 64g 23-37 60 at ES, PO 18g 5-8 13
D-0: 61g 15-28 43, PO 20g 6-6 12
FLYguy3911
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Bonk without the bumper production would look like a dud. He was not a driver at ES.
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Again...what league is he in? The same one you said to be wary of just posts beforehand.
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Trade Pitch Has Red Wings Acquiring $25 Million Defenseman
A trade pitch has the Detroit Red Wings acquiring defenseman Rasmus Ristolainen from the Philadelphia Flyers.
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Most importantly, great seeing you @CSKA1974.Trade Pitch Has Red Wings Acquiring $25 Million Defenseman
A trade pitch has the Detroit Red Wings acquiring defenseman Rasmus Ristolainen from the Philadelphia Flyers.heavy.com
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deadhead
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That's not going to be his role in the NHL.
The difference in scoring once you get past the top 20 offensive D-men isn't that great.
And only a couple teams have two top scorers on D, neither Forsling or Montour make that list.
Most top three D-men play good defense and score enough to be respectable.
80 D-men (64 1st pair plus median #3 D-man),
80th ES score: 22 points
80th total score: 25 points
Bonk is going to be a full sized, defense first D-man who gets you 20-30 points a year, mostly from picking his spots to attack in the O-zone. He's not going to drive the offense, his LHD will. He'll play ES, PK and maybe PP2.
His work at the bumper simply suggests that he can score goals when given the opportunity, it's not a role for him in the NHL. His goals will probably come from sneaking up the right side.
Wheeler:
"Denver Barkey's the hound. Oliver Bonk's the smartest player on the ice. That's about where the differences end for the two."
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