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Beef Invictus said:
The Kings also won with Lombardi considering actively blowing it, followed by him successfully blowing it shortly after. Their specific modus operandi happened to align perfectly with a shift in the sport that favored how they were built and played, too. That shift went the opposite way and they didn't even try to adapt. Pretending you can build like that deliberately is silly.

It's like citing the Blues as a meaningful model you can recreate. They're what, the only team that has ever won following their model? And it was one-off contention.
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Lombardi was very close to getting fired in 2012.

They were analytical darlings though.
 
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Magua said:
Probably not. But they paid a fine price for what he is. It’s basically impossible to lose this trade. Stranger things have happened. Maybe he’s Bennett, maybe he’s perma-plateaued. I’m very much OK with continually taking low risk bets like this over trading comparable value for Erik Johnson and re-signing Seeler. I think it’s somewhat fitting it’s an expansion team that acquired him.



Their Giroux target. Maybe they preferred him to Tippett! Even the trades they don’t make showcase they don’t know what they’re looking for. Do we ever get reports of the Flyers being in on a good target?
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Shea Weber?
 
Kakko has limited upside, below average speed, doesn't seem especially skillful.
Maybe he can become more consistent and be a solid 3RW.
Flyers wouldn't have been interested with their logjam at RW and desire for more, not less, speed.
 
deadhead said:
Kakko has limited upside, below average speed, doesn't seem especially skillful.
Maybe he can become more consistent and be a solid 3RW.
Flyers wouldn't have been interested with their logjam at RW and desire for more, not less, speed.
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You’re telling me you wouldn’t want a 23 year old #2 overall that has just over a year on his contract as trade bait in the off season or next trade deadline while you’re rebuilding?
 
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Lord Defect said:
You’re telling me you wouldn’t want a 23 year old #2 overall that has just over a year on his contract as trade bait in the off season or next trade deadline while you’re rebuilding?
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Trade bait? He's going to be a RFA, and he just got traded for a 3rd pair D-man and a 3rd rd pick.
What are the odds he's worth that much in a year?
 
deadhead said:
Trade bait? He's going to be a RFA, and he just got traded for a 3rd pair D-man and a 3rd rd pick.
What are the odds he's worth that much in a year?
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I thought pieces had more value in the off season or closer to their contract being up.
 
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The team that is really bad is Anaheim, they're getting great goalie play from Dostal and they still suck. Imagine how bad they'll be if he cools off.
 
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-0.97 (xGA-GA/60). That's peak Shesterkin good.
Which is probably why it's unsustainable.
He's a solid prospect, but nothing in his past suggests elite goalie.
Last year +0.21.
 
deadhead said:
-0.97 (xGA-GA/60). That's peak Shesterkin good.
Which is probably why it's unsustainable.
He's a solid prospect, but nothing in his past suggests elite goalie.
Last year +0.21.
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Maybe if you explain nicely to Dostal that he wasn't this good in the past, he'll correct this egregious oversight and play the way your spreadsheet tells him to.
 
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