Proposal: Minnesota's plan for D with the expansion

[Dr Quincy]

Brodin is more valueable to the team. Everyone is talking about our "window" closing with the age of our core. We need our early-20's D. Dumba and Brodin must stay so we don't have to crumple up the entire team when this window slams shut and we can concentrate on replacing our aging forward scorers (Poms, Parise, Koivu, Staal) if the Nino's Coyles, granlunds, and Zuckers never take a step up.

Looking at your AV.... Gary Moore fan?

 

[57special]

Trade one of our D + Granlund/Haula for a very talented forward young enough to be draft exempt, or a very high pick, or a combo of both. Protect 8 skaters. 4D, 4 forwards. Consider buying out Koivu before the draft...i'm assuming that Pominville doesn't need to be protected.

Protect :

Suter

Parise

Coyle

Nino

Brodin

Scandella

Spurgeon

Granlund/ Haula

Exposed:

Zucker

Folin

Pominville

Staal

Stewart

Anonymous gaggle of fourth liners

Protected:

Reilly

Tuch

Graovac

rock star forward prospect/pick(s) we traded for.

The worst thing about this scenario is how we treat our Captain, Koivu, but the team comes first. He will be able to re-sign somewhere for a decent buck, or perhaps he will just take a year off/ play in Finland and we can sign him back after a year. If MK has a great year this year then we might have to bite the bullet, protect him, and lose one of either Granlund or Haula.

 

[rynryn]

Looking at your AV.... Gary Moore fan?

No, though you are the second person to ask me that--looked him up the first time...jesus he can play.

Just liked this pic for some reason.

 

[Mr Misty]

If we have to expose Dubnyk though, he might be the best goalie in the expansion draft so that might actually be enticing. or maybe another team makes a deal with them saying "if you take Brodin, we'll give you ______ for him". can they do that? swipe a player and trade him for something from another team?

Vegas can trade players if they want.

Why would you expose Dubnyk though? And the difference between Dubnyk and the next best starter will be much less than the difference between your exposed defenseman and the 6th best exposed defenseman.

 

[zar]

Trade one of our D + Granlund/Haula for a very talented forward young enough to be draft exempt, or a very high pick, or a combo of both. Protect 8 skaters. 4D, 4 forwards. Consider buying out Koivu before the draft...i'm assuming that Pominville doesn't need to be protected.

Protect :

Suter

Parise

Coyle

Nino

Brodin

Scandella

Spurgeon

Granlund/ Haula

Exposed:

Zucker

Folin

Pominville

Staal

Stewart

Anonymous gaggle of fourth liners

Protected:

Reilly

Tuch

Graovac

rock star forward prospect/pick(s) we traded for.

The worst thing about this scenario is how we treat our Captain, Koivu, but the team comes first. He will be able to re-sign somewhere for a decent buck, or perhaps he will just take a year off/ play in Finland and we can sign him back after a year. If MK has a great year this year then we might have to bite the bullet, protect him, and lose one of either Granlund or Haula.

The list of teams would be limited because not many teams would be able to take 2 pieces back without having to expose one of them in the Expansion Draft anyways.

If a GM had the deals in place and simultaneously pulled off 2-3 deals, with different teams of course, where he dealt one higher valued asset for 2 very good but lesser valued assets/prospects where the other team couldn't protect both anyways. 3 very good assets for 6 good assets with risks/development required. You can only lose 1 of those exposed assets, so you have some good assets which you can have a more balanced team or use those assets as trade bait after the expansion draft (you just couldn't trade them back to the team that traded them to you until January 1 2017 I think).

 

[TaLoN]

Las Vegas can be bribed to take Zucker so we can keep all of our D-men anyway.

 

[forthewild]

Under the current roster we can expose Dubnyk to the draft so we can keep all our dman and all our young forwards if we wanted to.

Not 100% sold on Dubs,I think he gets exposed to the draft.

 

[TaLoN]

Also, if Staal has a solid season, he'd be a prime target for a forward talent starved expansion team.

He would bring solid play and a reasonable contract and quality leadership to a team needing all of the above.

Considering the high quality of available D across the league in the Expansion draft, they may just want someone like Staal from the Wild instead... again, that would require no moves to save our D either.

 

[gwh]

I'd think Minnesota would protect 8 skaters and protect 4 defenceman. Brodin likely the odd man out

Solid reasoning. Or not?

One player can be picked. 7+3 or 4+4 result in one D getting picked. Makes no difference. Wild is definitely not going 4+4...

3+5 protects all blue liners and exposes both Coyle and Nino.

In reality I think we either:

a) Bribe Las Vegas to pick Zucker with spareparts like Reilly and picks.

b) Rolling with 7+3. One D is lost, but still have top 4 intact.

 

[gwh]

Also, if Staal has a solid season, he'd be a prime target for a forward talent starved expansion team.

Staal had a 53% faceoff, 45 point center season last year. If he hits close to 50 points next year, Las Vegas will definitely pick up his 3mil contract.

 

[Mr Misty]

Las Vegas can be bribed to take Zucker so we can keep all of our D-men anyway.

Staal had a 53% faceoff, 45 point center season last year. If he hits close to 50 points next year, Las Vegas will definitely pick up his 3mil contract.

Brodin/whoever is the best defenseman available for Vegas. Zucker/Staal are 2nd line forwards at best, there's no reason for them to pass on a defenseman to bolster their 2nd line. Plus defensemen carry more trade value, what kind of plus gets added to Staal or Zucker to get Brodin in return? At the very least they can flip him immediately for a better forward than the Wild have to offer.

 

[gwh]

Brodin/whoever is the best defenseman available for Vegas. Zucker/Staal are 2nd line forwards at best, there's no reason for them to pass on a defenseman to bolster their 2nd line. Plus defensemen carry more trade value, what kind of plus gets added to Staal or Zucker to get Brodin in return? At the very least they can flip him immediately for a better forward than the Wild have to offer.

Maybe. The forward corps is so bad that they might pass all the forwards and just pick blueliners for trading.

There won't be a single 50 point forward projected to go to vegas, so Staal at 3mil/50 points would clearly be the best available asset on that whole team. (Staal won't hit 50, but for the sake of the argument)

 

[Curufinwe]

Staal had a 53% faceoff, 45 point center season last year. If he hits close to 50 points next year, Las Vegas will definitely pick up his 3mil contract.

39 points.

http://www.hockey-reference.com/players/s/staaler01.html

 

[Mookie Blaylock]

Best guess if Wild go into expansion draft as is.

Leave Zucker, Spurgeon, Scandella exposed.

Have Vegas pick The D Wild would rather not lose, most likely Scandella.

Trade Zucker to Vegas for X.

Basically a trade of Scandella and Zucker for X.

X could be a combination of draft picks and players.

 

[gwh]

39 points.

http://www.hockey-reference.com/players/s/staaler01.html

Might want to check the production when playing center versus playing on the wing.

Staal had 45 point center season. His winger season was 24 point in 82.

Conclusion: Staal is a 3rd line winger at best. Maybe try him at center?

 

[gwh]

Best guess if Wild go into expansion draft as is.

Leave Zucker, Spurgeon, Scandella exposed.

Have Vegas pick The D Wild would rather not lose, most likely Scandella.

Trade Zucker to Vegas for X.

Basically a trade of Scandella and Zucker for X.

X could be a combination of draft picks and players.

I d think we leave Brodin and Scandella exposed. RHDs are rare, and can lose one LHD in the top4.

 

[Mookie Blaylock]

I d think we leave Brodin and Scandella exposed. RHDs are rare, and can lose one LHD in the top4.

Possible guess it will depend how Brodins year goes, age difference might be enough to keep Brodin. Agree that I would rather lose Brodin than Spurgeon.

 

[zombie kopitar]

and here I was always told having too many good young defenseman was a good thing

 

[57special]

and here I was always told having too many good young defenseman was a good thing

Yeah, the NHL has decided to punish teams who are strong on D in this expansion draft. Sucks for teams with a strong top4. Teams lacking D can certainly help themselves in trades before the expansion draft.

 

[Maukkis]

Have you seen Granlund play? He's about as inconsistent as any forward in the NHL not named Yakupov.

I have seen him play, and I really like him tbh.

 

[Curufinwe]

and here I was always told having too many good young defenseman was a good thing

Trade one to a team with an open protection slot on D like the Flyers (if they don't re-sign MDZ).

 

[Al Lagoon]

Anybody those doesn't realize that Pominville will be 100% bought out to save another player is on acid.

I wouldn't count on that, especially if he playes like he did down the stretch last season.

Also, buying him out at the end of next season would produce the following cap hits:

2017-18 - $4,350,000
2018-19 - $1,850,000
2019-20 - $1,250,000
2020-21 - $1,250,000

Don't see the logic of absorbing almost his full cap hit in 2017-18 just to be rid of him.

 

[Mr Misty]

Maybe. The forward corps is so bad that they might pass all the forwards and just pick blueliners for trading.

There won't be a single 50 point forward projected to go to vegas, so Staal at 3mil/50 points would clearly be the best available asset on that whole team. (Staal won't hit 50, but for the sake of the argument)

Vegas is limited to 9 defensemen though.

It depends on who protects 8 skaters. Anaheim could lose Silfverberg or Rakell, Soderberg from Colorado, Yakupov from Edmonton, and Wilson from Nashville. Dallas will probably lose Eakin to satisfy the 40/70 rule, he's younger than Staal and signed an extra year. Tampa has Killorn and Namestnikov and both have offensive upside. Maybe Staal a year from now is a big improvement on those guys, but if you pair Staal with the best exposed defenseman from those teams you are at real disadvantage vs Brodin/whoever plus the best forward.

 

[tsujimoto74]

Anybody those doesn't realize that Pominville will be 100% bought out to save another player is on acid.

How? The buyout window this year already passed, and I'm guessing the expansion draft will come before the one next year.

 

[TwiztedHeat]

How? The buyout window this year already passed, and I'm guessing the expansion draft will come before the one next year.

So the expansion draft is going to happen immediately after the Stanley Cup or during the playoffs? Yeah, I don't think so.