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Here's a question, does he need to go anywhere?
"Here" is a 60 point center, possible ~70 pointer depending on what one believes what the driving force in the last month slowdown was, with good advanced stats.
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"Here" is a 60 point center, possible ~70 pointer depending on what one believes what the driving force in the last month slowdown was, with good advanced stats.
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See and I don't think comps matter. He's an individual and the comps have no bearing on his development. At some point he'll be a finished product and we can talk about what that product is and how valuable it is and if we want it on our team and in what role and whatever else we can talk about. But I'm not going to decide that now while he's shown nothing but improvement for three years.
And I'm also not necessarily worried about the individual tools he uses to get the job done, as much as I am about how well the job gets done.
Exactly , if his best several months this year were his peak and he found a way to put together entire seasons of that level of play then we are very happy with the player.
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I've been trying to make this point too. What he is now is already a very effective player, last month aside. Already a more effective player than a lot of guys who have those better tools (skating and size).
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He doesn't need to go anywhere. I think he's a good player. I'd pay him around what Ek got as a cap percentage because I think they both can produce similar amounts in a complementary role. That's in the area of 6.1M x 8 years... Rossi's camp won't do that I assume. If he wants a lot more than that I think we can replace Rossi's production easier than some may think. If we was 28 we wouldn't be having this conversation. It's the allure of continued growth that makes it so hard for fans to want to move Marco, but I don't see where the growth comes from.
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I think if he’d have been deployed on pp1 and with Kap and Boldy all season we are talking about a 75 pt player. He did a lot of work in his own when there were injuries.
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In some areas yes, but it wasn't about Ek specifically. There are a lot of players, centers included, that are bigger and better skaters, and aren't as good as Rossi.
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"In some areas yes, but it wasn't about Ek specifically"
No one wants to trade Ek brother. They can both coexist on the same team as complements to each other.
No one wants to trade Ek brother. They can both coexist on the same team as complements to each other.
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Respectfully I don't think it's as easy as you're making it seem, otherwise we'd have one that isn't Rossi right now. But we put Hartman there for a while, Rask was there for a while, Steel was there for a while, and Ek couldn't hit that pace with them this season either.
By all means, if we find a long term improvement that makes Rossi expendable, trade him. But we don't have that, no one we're gonna sign this summer is that, and by the sounds of it, Rossi himself won't even return that.
It took a long time for Ek to develop in to the player he is now. He simmered slowly. But we're giving Rossi 2 years max to prove himself. That's all he gets? His progression is done?
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TBF to JEE he had done it the prior 2 seasons. Since he started getting PP time he's been a 60p/yr pace player over the span of 4 years (injuries got him this year). He had a Cy Young season (19g/9a) going the first COVID year at even strength (GREEF line).
Hartman put up a 60p season playing next to Kap too.
A 60p center just isn't a special accomplishment anymore. MN has had that regularly since Staal joined the team in 16-17.
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"easy" probably wasn't the right way to say it, but it can be done. I was moreso just saying we've seen both Ek and Hartman produce similarly in the top line role. It's not easy to do, you have to be a good player. In particular you have to be a smart player who can see the ice. I really do like Marco as a player and person. I think what I've been trying to illustrate, maybe rather poorly, is that while I think Marco is a good player, I don't see him as an essential player for this team to have success. I believe that you win by getting 3 or 4 elite+ level players and then backfilling the rest of the lineup with plenty of good deals that provide a lot of surplus value. I'm certainly willing to pay Rossi to stay here, but I want to pay him more as the second line player who can produce as a first line player in the right situation. That's the type of player I view him as. If that can't be done, I'm more than happy to trade him for a prospect that can provide the surplus value that I don't believe he'll[rossi] provide on a 7M+ contract and then backfill his production with a stopgap center like Nelson. Well, maybe not more than "happy", but I think it's a justifiable alternative.
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It feels like moving Rossi before we have any chance to see Yurov at the NHL level is a mistake. My read of Guerin is that he’s an impatient individual & I doubt he’s capable of saving the cap for another season.
There’s nothing wrong with signing an old vet to a 1-year deal & evaluating how the team looks with all of the key rookies now getting NHL ice time. I’d be fine bringing in someone like Kane & seeing how this lineup does:
Kap - Rossi/Yurov - Kane
Boldy - Ek - Yurov/Rossi
Ohgren - Hartman - Zucc
Foligno - Gaudreau - Trenin
There’s nothing wrong with signing an old vet to a 1-year deal & evaluating how the team looks with all of the key rookies now getting NHL ice time. I’d be fine bringing in someone like Kane & seeing how this lineup does:
Kap - Rossi/Yurov - Kane
Boldy - Ek - Yurov/Rossi
Ohgren - Hartman - Zucc
Foligno - Gaudreau - Trenin
I think GMBG's seat is going to get really hot if can't accomplish anything new next year. The one year vet deals would mean he probably struck out in FA and is left picking at the scraps.
Another year at the very minimum. I can recall people, myself included, wondering after a couple of years if Ek was going to be worth it. He kept progressing. He got more than 2 years to grow and prove himself. And with Rossi getting better each year, its only fair to be just as patient. And just like with Ek, there will be some dips and valleys. But shipping him out thinking he's reached his peak after just 2 years is ridiculous. And again, a double standard considering the patience that other kids were given.
Is there anything we can do to accelerate that? Throw some wood in the fire under his chair?
Is there anything we can do to accelerate that? Throw some wood in the fire under his chair?
Trading a future ppg center might do it.
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I’m just not impressed with this UFA class beyond a couple guys. If he’s not able to get them, I’d rather wait until next offseason when there is a bit more money and (hopefully) a better supply of good forwards to choose from.
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Generally speaking, high potential forward prospects should get at least until they are 25.
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