Value of: Minnesota Wild Fire Sale
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Agreed. I image it as him giving a list of roughly 2 teams he'd be ok with being traded to, and the Wild getting a return well below his value. Now it makes sense to me to trade him before that clause takes effect. Problem is, maybe he actually does want to re-sign, and if that's the case, I'd want him back for another 8 years. Hard to know that for sure, and impossible to know it for we fans.
JEE would be perfect for the Avs, and I wouldn't be bothered at all if they slightly overpaid for him.
with him off the table though, I could see Hartman as a typical Avs target if there was an actual sale.
with him off the table though, I could see Hartman as a typical Avs target if there was an actual sale.
Sure….just to be clear, cap is not a problem this year, just the next two. If you have expiring dumps that you want to unload, we’re your guys.
Fleury should be added to the list. He has a NMC, but I bet he would be willing to move on from a team that is on a downward slide if he is going to one with a good chance to go far in the playoffs. He’d be a good choice if you had an otherwise great team that had goaltending concerns.
Gustavsson could be had, too, but would be far more expensive. After a shaky start, he has been great this year, and is only 24 yo., with a very bright future.
We can’t take on salary for next year.
JEE would be perfect forlots of teams. Signed long term throughout his prime before his breakout year, Selke level defense, physicality, great character… the type of guy you put a letter on. One of the few Wild players playing well this year, though he has been on an island 5 v 5 with Greenway and Foligno flanking him.
On a team lacking quality Centers, JEE should be the last person traded.
Yeah that was kinda questionable.
In all the trade proposals from Minny my first question was always, why the hell trading him?
There must have been better options to trade or waive if salary cap was the issue
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Yeah, we have to shed Greenway's contract as is, so taking on 25k on top of the 3M we'd have to shed is a no.
Again, we are trying to move Greenway’s salary for next year, not replace it with Labanc’s. Once you factor in the replacement cost for Hartman, it’s an absolute no go. Also, MN. Would be moving a guy in Hartman who can play C, and makes 1.7M, and scored 34 goals as recently as last year. why would they want to trade for a guy who is getting healthy scratched and makes close to 5M, on a team that will be paying 15M in cap penalties over the next two years.
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Because that guy has outscored Hartman and Greenway combined this year and you are competing? Both Hartman and Greenway have been healthy scratched too so can’t really use that against Labanc without also using it against them. OP asked for even strength scoring. I offered it.
The time to trade Hartman, Foligno, Greenway, Goligoski was last summer after they all had career years. Guerin has been largely solid as a GM but trading Fiala for futures without bringing in any scoring insurance has completely tanked this season.
JEE isn’t going anywhere. He’s gotten less time with Kaprizov at 5v5 than all of Bjugstad, Jost, Steel, Hartman, Rask, and others. He’d be well over PPG if given that role and the narrative about MN needing a 1C would be much different. He also plays as hard as anyone I’ve seen since Parise and will win a few Selkes in his career.
JEE isn’t going anywhere. He’s gotten less time with Kaprizov at 5v5 than all of Bjugstad, Jost, Steel, Hartman, Rask, and others. He’d be well over PPG if given that role and the narrative about MN needing a 1C would be much different. He also plays as hard as anyone I’ve seen since Parise and will win a few Selkes in his career.
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We don't need to shed Greenway's salary. It might be convenient to, and if we don't like the player anymore it's probably the best choice, but we can take a player back if the salaries match and the player is worth it.
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Looking at the path of the least amount of change next year, losing Dumba as the baseline, it basically comes down to Greenway vs. Gaudreau. If we match Greenway's salary, we can't keep Gaudreau. If we want to keep Gaudreau, we need to shed Greenway's salary. The takeaway being, we need to shed salary, but it doesn't necessarily need to be Greenway's.
That said, the Greenway+Hartman for Labanc deal above would put us in the position of dumping Greenway AND Gaudreau, and then calling up a league minimum forward from Iowa or signing one in free agency to replace Hartman, and then still needing to do one more swap of a 2M+ player for a league minimum player, in order to keep a 13th forward on the roster.
So yeah, it is technically possible for us to do salary out salary in with Greenway if the player is worth it, but it would require additional moves, including multiple swaps that may weaken the product even further.
EDIT: What could work for the Wild is Greenway for Labanc@3M. That would still come down to choosing Labanc over Gaudreau, but the domino effect would stop there. We'd just need to sign a 13th forward as we'll need to do anyway. But does Labanc@3M for Greenway work for San Jose? Probably not. And Labanc isn't worth adding any good future assets to get, which is what SJ would probably ask for.
He is playing on an injured shoulder and I am guessing he will require surgery before he actually becomes useful again, so his value for this season is negative, but he is signed for two more seasons after this one. When healthy and engaged, he is very desirable and can completely neuter the opposing team’s top players with his possession game. He primarily excels in the cycle game and as a playmaker feeding the front of the net.
All that to say that I have no idea what his value would be in the current market, it’s definitely the lowest it has been since entering the league though. Could be a good buy low candidate for a team not competing this season, but you would be relying on him getting healthy and returning to form.
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I think the Pens would benefit from adding Foligno and Hartman so Pens move Zucker who is a Minny guy and family there to my knowledge. Pens add pieces to bottom 6 and money is a wash. Minny has options to sign Zucker this off season. Now if Pens have to add a third fine.
Even without retention they would be saving $600k next year. I’m game on Foligno for Mittelstadt at 50% though if you insist!
