Proposal: Minnesota - Montreal

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Is everyone just going to gloss over this?

Savard and Chiarot got a 1st. Will it happen again? Who knows but it's not a far fetched asking price. Eddy plays a similar top 4D game as a mobile/physical type who has experience.... and it's not just a rental.

50% retention (which the Habs can do) brings his AAV down to $1.75M for this season and next. Laugh all you want but it might return a 20+ 1st.
 

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Minnesota doesn't even consider this at all. They aren't trading dumba, their okay current 1c, and 2nd round pick for what? Long term ld Minnesota has zero need for, bottom line expensive C on Christian Dvorak and nobody. Minnesota says no
Saying that Steel is an “okay current 1c” and Dvorak is a “bottom line expensive C” is certainly a hot take.

There is a way to say no without showing the absolute homer within you know…
 
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Saying that Steel is an “okay current 1c” and Dvorak is a “bottom line expensive C” is certainly a hot take.

There is a way to say no without showing the absolute homer within you know…
I said OK because kaprizov and Zuccarello makes every player including steel stand out. Steel has to do nothing but make plays to them
 

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It's almost as bad as suggesting Dvorak is worth "two 2nds and a B+ prospect", so I just assumed we were glossing over all of it in the name of civility.
Do you think the Wild resign Gaudreau this summer? If so, what the term and caphit? What do you think his value will be after signing that contract?

I've seen 2 x 2nd or 2nd + prospect fly around as proposed value. I don't think it's outrageous for a middle 6 Centre...
 

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Do you think the Wild resign Gaudreau this summer? If so, what the term and caphit? What do you think his value will be after signing that contract?

I've seen 2 x 2nd or 2nd + prospect fly around as proposed value. I don't think it's outrageous for a middle 6 Centre...

If Gaudreau gets a contract of any length at 4.5M, that would reflect very poorly on Guerin, as Gaudreau is not worth that, if that's what you're trying to fish for.
 

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I said OK because kaprizov and Zuccarello makes every player including steel stand out. Steel has to do nothing but make plays to them
Ya, and Dvorak would probably look pretty decent between them too. All I’m saying is you’re glorifying Steel by what others prop him up as and then dragging Dvorak despite his most common lines being with Gallagher/Dadonov and Gallagher/Hoffman :help:
 

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Absolutely abysmal value for the Habs.

Edmunson if they decide to move him, probably goes for a 1st or something in that ballpark alone. Not a UFA rental defenceman who isn't very good, a nothing unqualified free agent tweener forward, and a 2nd round pick.

Not to mention throwing in Dvorak who has a bit of value as a decent #3C on top of that.
 

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Ya, and Dvorak would probably look pretty decent between them too. All I’m saying is you’re glorifying Steel by what others prop him up as and then dragging Dvorak despite his most common lines being with Gallagher/Dadonov and Gallagher/Hoffman :help:
Steel what matters to me is I look at money also. Steel is earning 500,000 or highest 750000. This is what I mean when I talk about player's like Steel as they are beyond cheap and for right now, he's doing what needed on kaprizov/ Zuccarello line
 

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Steel what matters to me is I look at money also. Steel is earning 500,000 or highest 750000. This is what I mean when I talk about player's like Steel as they are beyond cheap and for right now, he's doing what needed on kaprizov/ Zuccarello line
There is a reason Steel is paid that much…
 
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Is everyone just going to gloss over this?

What’s wrong with this? You don’t have to like or even meet the asking price but that’s definitely the asking price.

It's almost as bad as suggesting Dvorak is worth "two 2nds and a B+ prospect", so I just assumed we were glossing over all of it in the name of civility.

Not sure why Montreal would just trade away Dvorak without a solid return. He’s still young, signed for a few more years and Montreal does not have cap issues. No rush in moving the guy unless the return is good. He’ll keep eating up minutes and shelter kids for now
 
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If Gaudreau gets a contract of any length at 4.5M, that would reflect very poorly on Guerin, as Gaudreau is not worth that, if that's what you're trying to fish for.
If he puts together 40+ point at Center this year, he'll either get that or a deal with more term for slightly less cap hit. This isn't 2006 anymore, with the perspective of a quickly increasing cap over the next few years, middle 6 center will be worth 4.5M quite easily.
 

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If he puts together 40+ point at Center this year, he'll either get that or a deal with more term for slightly less cap hit. This isn't 2006 anymore, with the perspective of a quickly increasing cap over the next few years, middle 6 center will be worth 4.5M quite easily.

He is a bottom six center at best, on pace for 30 points playing in the top six. The only reason he put up the production he did last year is because he got to play with Kevin Fiala the entire year, and that line took off when Boldy was added in.
 

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If he puts together 40+ point at Center this year, he'll either get that or a deal with more term for slightly less cap hit. This isn't 2006 anymore, with the perspective of a quickly increasing cap over the next few years, middle 6 center will be worth 4.5M quite easily.
I guess Gaudreau can get $4.5M per season from Montreal.
 

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He is a bottom six center at best, on pace for 30 points playing in the top six. The only reason he put up the production he did last year is because he got to play with Kevin Fiala the entire year, and that line took off when Boldy was added in.
I agree and I think Dvorak is a bit better offensively.
I was asking these questions, because even tho the proposal isn't very good for either team, it's always interesting to have the insight on players we don't get to see play often.
Some other poster (now that you say this, I don,t think it was you) said he was much better then Dvorak already...

I guess Gaudreau can get $4.5M per season from Montreal.
Not if we already have Suzuki, Dach, Monahan, Dvorak, Evans.
Like I said, he'll probably ask for longer term at a lower cap since he was never paid really high. A team lacking center depth will surely give him a nice contract.
 
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Not if we already have Suzuki, Dach, Monahan, Dvorak, Evans.
Like I said, he'll probably ask for longer term at a lower cap since he was never paid really high. A team lacking center depth will surely give him a nice contract.
Whoever pays Gaudreau $4.5M is going to regret it instantly. The dude is worth $2M maybe $2.5M on a 2-3 year deal. Anyone that watches him regularly, instead of stat watching, can verify this.
 

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Whoever pays Gaudreau $4.5M is going to regret it instantly. The dude is worth $2M maybe $2.5M on a 2-3 year deal. Anyone that watches him regularly, instead of stat watching, can verify this.
Ok obv, I stated I wasn't watching him regularly, not sure why you rub it in my face. Looking at players with similar production, that would be an outlier at 2-2.5M.... Again I didn't say 3 years at 4.5M, but the truth probably is in the midle at 3.25 ish 3 years deal. The first year being maybe closer to 4.5 and the last to 2.5
 

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Ok obv, I stated I wasn't watching him regularly, not sure why you rub it in my face. Looking at players with similar production, that would be an outlier at 2-2.5M.... Again I didn't say 3 years at 4.5M, but the truth probably is in the midle at 3.25 ish 3 years deal. The first year being maybe closer to 4.5 and the last to 2.5
It’s the commenting on what he should be getting when Wild fans know he’s propped up. Would you give Hartman $7M after last season?

Who are your comparables?
 

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It's almost as bad as suggesting Dvorak is worth "two 2nds and a B+ prospect", so I just assumed we were glossing over all of it in the name of civility.
Don't be ridiculous. 2 2nds and a b prospect is nothing. Dvorak is worth at least that.

Steel what matters to me is I look at money also. Steel is earning 500,000 or highest 750000. This is what I mean when I talk about player's like Steel as they are beyond cheap and for right now, he's doing what needed on kaprizov/ Zuccarello line
Steel is worthless garbage. Only Dumba in that deal is of interest. And not for all the pieces the OP offered.
 

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Don't be ridiculous. 2 2nds and a b prospect is nothing. Dvorak is worth at least that.

If someone is dumb enough to pay that price, more power to you guys. Hell, you guys paid a 1st and a 2nd for him, so I know those kind of people are out there.
 

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It’s the commenting on what he should be getting when Wild fans know he’s propped up. Would you give Hartman $7M after last season?

Who are your comparables?
I'm asking questions about Gaudreau, because 40+ points 2way center are worth 4+M nowadays.
I'm gauging the contract of Dvorak as a middle 6 center, not being worth his contract according to some Wild fans.

If someone is dumb enough to pay that price, more power to you guys. Hell, you guys paid a 1st and a 2nd for him, so I know those kind of people are out there.
Quit your day job and become a GM.
 

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I'm asking questions about Gaudreau, because 40+ points 2way center are worth 4+M nowadays.
I'm gauging the contract of Dvorak as a middle 6 center, not being worth his contract according to some Wild fans.


Quit your day job and become a GM.

No need to be so upset. You got your answer. None of the Wild fans in here would pay Gaudreau 4.5M like you were hoping we would.

And the term "middle 6 center" really should be reserved for guys who can actually play 2C, not guys who can only play 3C.
 

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No need to be so upset. You got your answer. None of the Wild fans in here would pay Gaudreau 4.5M like you were hoping we would.

And the term "middle 6 center" really should be reserved for guys who can actually play 2C, not guys who can only play 3C.
Dvorak is producing at a top 64 rate and it's certainly not because of his linemates.
 
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