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Aren't teams supposed to get discounts when they commit early to relatively unproven/high potential players like this?
Confirmed Signing with Link: [MIN] D Brock Faber signs extension with the Wild (8 years, $8.5M AAV)
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Not enough UFA years for that to be realistic.
Also, while he projects in the top tier in terms of defending and transition, he doesn't have the tools to be a top offensive producer.
Dr Jan Itor
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This is why they need to bring back elc's
getting 8.5 mil based off of one year is a horrible idea
And I'm a Faber fan
getting 8.5 mil based off of one year is a horrible idea
And I'm a Faber fan
Dr Jan Itor
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Beddy Tlueger
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Key word there being season (singular, not plural).
Sanderson has been better every season of their careers before this one, and not be a small amount either.
Faber could very well justify this contract, but given he's never shown significant offensive potential besides this year, there's some risk involved
At least Sanderson put up really good numbers in previous years to justify his 8x8 deal.
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Beddy Tlueger
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? Faber signed an ELC. ELCs arent gone...
lol what? Sanderson has only played 2 years, and Faber just one, and his one season is already clearly better than anything Sanderson has done.
high end Dmen will not be signing for under 10 in 3 years ,they did get a deal if this works out.
2 years of overpay 2 years of fair pay and four years of great deal is the hope on this one.
Faber has another season to play on his elc before this extension kicks in.
He's now effectively under contract for the next 9 seasons.
Dr Jan Itor
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Are we really using college stats to justify NHL contracts? If Sanderson was so much better all of the years prior to the NHL, then why did Faber jump him so much in that 1 NHL season?
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I'm talking years spent in the USHL and NCAA as well.
Why wouldn't we be? Faber has a single year of pro hockey under his belt. Not a massive sample size.
Besides this season he's never put up significant numbers at any level (USHL or NCAA), so there is some risk that this season may have been an aberration and may not be repeated.
The Wild scouted him and liked him enough to trade a PPG winger for him, and from his first game, first series, and first full season in this league he has looked the part as a true impact defenseman that can help your team in any situation. Guy is a workaholic with a huge motor, is a complete sponge and nearly unrivaled defensive instincts for anyone, let alone someone so young.
Every single GM in this league would want his skillset on their roster, supply and demand is the major contract factor and the supply of Faber's is beyond limited.
Anyone talking about only one season just means that this is the first season you have paid him any attention, it was clear before this season even started how much of an impact he was going to have. 2 NHL regular season games and 6 in the playoffs demonstrably showed he had game if the USNTDP, World Jrs, NCAA and Olympics weren't enough evidence. I will quote myself below, posted April 28, 2023 during Game 6 of the Dallas series.
"He has been our best defenseman this series, so good at everything." and that was with Brodin, Spurgeon and Dumba (who actually played pretty well.) Guy was going into board battles against Robertson and Hintz and making them look silly with less than a handful of games under his belt.
Every single GM in this league would want his skillset on their roster, supply and demand is the major contract factor and the supply of Faber's is beyond limited.
Anyone talking about only one season just means that this is the first season you have paid him any attention, it was clear before this season even started how much of an impact he was going to have. 2 NHL regular season games and 6 in the playoffs demonstrably showed he had game if the USNTDP, World Jrs, NCAA and Olympics weren't enough evidence. I will quote myself below, posted April 28, 2023 during Game 6 of the Dallas series.
"He has been our best defenseman this series, so good at everything." and that was with Brodin, Spurgeon and Dumba (who actually played pretty well.) Guy was going into board battles against Robertson and Hintz and making them look silly with less than a handful of games under his belt.
Forge
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I mean, they did get a first round pick in that deal as well lol
It was a fairly standard trade.
The Wild had multiple options for trade partners and returns, they specifically went with Faber and a pick in the 20's. The point being that they saw things in the player that they really like for the team. So far he has proven them correct and it makes rational sense why they signed him long term as soon as they possibly could. Guerin and the staff are obviously big believers.
HockeyRulez
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They have to pay someone. Smarter to pay guys for their prime years than the backside of their careers. And Faber would get a hell of a lot more than 8x8.5 next summer if he was UFA
Akrapovince
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If he does get 100 points I have no issue giving him what he’s worth after seeing it for another season. I agree with everything you’re saying.
At worse, you’re paying him what he’s worth with no risk.
With this, you might save a million or have an albatross if things don’t pan out. High risk low reward.
Le Barron de HF
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I don't get why people continue to be confused by these deals. The league has shifted. I think there is just a lot less fear of these types of deals now for guys of this age.
Even if Faber doesn't live up to 8.5 (which isn't going to be as hard as we think moving forward with a cap that is back on an upward trajectory), the deal has a fairly minimal shot at being a "bad" contract. He'd have to be an injury disaster, I think.
Teams would rather take a shot at getting a massive bargain and I don't blame them.
Even if Faber doesn't live up to 8.5 (which isn't going to be as hard as we think moving forward with a cap that is back on an upward trajectory), the deal has a fairly minimal shot at being a "bad" contract. He'd have to be an injury disaster, I think.
Teams would rather take a shot at getting a massive bargain and I don't blame them.
