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Player Discussion Milan Lucic (Trial date 2/16)- Charges DROPPED-will NOT return this season.

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Police report reveals details of Bruins winger Milan Lucic's arrest

Newly obtained records from the Boston Police Department reveal details from the arrest of Boston Bruins veteran forward Milan Lucic following a domestic incident.
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MarchysNoseKnows said:
I think this discussion goes so much better if everyone realizes that if Lucic is out of the players assistance program and wants to come back, the Bruins have to let him come back.
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Of course, they don’t have to let him play though.

Edit: He has a NMC too, didn’t realize that. Yeah their hands are tied when/if he’s out of PAP.
 
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SwayHeyKid said:
Lol if this were someone on one of the other teams these comments wouldn’t be so nice I didn't see Austin Watson get similar support

Charges were dropped because of a technicality and his wife not wanting to press charges. Rinse repeat.

They should do the same thing they did with Miller, keep him on the books I guess and don't let him play
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I'm thinking that's what they'll do.
 
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MarchysNoseKnows said:
I think this discussion goes so much better if everyone realizes that if Lucic is out of the players assistance program and wants to come back, the Bruins have to let him come back.
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Can't they just waive him on normal waivers and if he clears, assign him to the AHL? He doesn't even have to go to Providence, they could loan him to another AHL team. Then it's up to him whether he reports or not.

I'm not saying that is what I want to see.
 
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SwayHeyKid said:
Cut him?
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They can’t cut him

BruinDust said:
Can't they just waive him on normal waivers and if he clears, assign him to the AHL? He doesn't even have to go to Providence, they could loan him to another AHL team. Then it's up to him whether he reports or not.

I'm not saying that is what I want to see.
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No. He has a full NMC
 
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You can waive/release a player for any reason if you pay them their contractually agreed upon salary. That's the only obligation you have. The issues only start if you a) try to void their contract or b) force them to report to the AHL. They can simply give Lucic his outright release, making him a free agent free to sign with any other team immediately, with his full salary paid out.

The Bruins won't be forced to keep him on the roster in anyway and I certainly hope they won't.

EDIT: They gave a fourth liner a NMC? Sweeney is a f***ing moron.

Okay, so I don't think a NMC prevents an outright release. The reason it prevents waivers is because another team could then pick you up, meaning you got moved against your will.

But an outright release means you still control where you go.
 
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EverettMike said:
You can waive/release a player for any reason if you pay them their contractually agreed upon salary. That's the only obligation you have. The issues only start if you a) try to void their contract or b) force them to report to the AHL. They can simply give Lucic his outright release, making him a free agent free to sign with any other team immediately, with his full salary paid out.

The Bruins won't be forced to keep him on the roster in anyway and I certainly hope they won't.

EDIT: They gave a fourth liner a NMC? Sweeney is a f***ing moron.
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you cant with full NMC which he has.
The only thing you can do requires his full consent.
 
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EverettMike said:
You can waive/release a player for any reason if you pay them their contractually agreed upon salary. That's the only obligation you have. The issues only start if you a) try to void their contract or b) force them to report to the AHL. They can simply give Lucic his outright release, making him a free agent free to sign with any other team immediately, with his full salary paid out.

The Bruins won't be forced to keep him on the roster in anyway and I certainly hope they won't.

EDIT: They gave a fourth liner a NMC? Sweeney is a f***ing moron.

Okay, so I don't think a NMC prevents an outright release. The reason it prevents waivers is because another team could then pick you up, meaning you got moved against your will.

But an outright release means you still control where you go.
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This is what I mean where the “just cut him loose I don’t want him on the Bruins” feelings have no weight. If he’s out of the program, and Bettman doesn’t suspend him (I don’t know how he possibly could legally), he plays if he wants to play. Or more specifically, he’s on the roster if he wants to play.
 
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MarchysNoseKnows said:
They can’t cut him


No. He has a full NMC
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NMC's don't apply to terminations.

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A No-Move Clause (NMC) can be added to a player's contract in the years after they are eligible for Group 3 Unrestricted Free Agency (7 Accrued seasons or 27 years of age), and has the following properties:
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Believe they can terminate him to get him off the roster/team. That will get him off the team but then the PA can file a grievance over the money. Like Chicago with Perry or San Jose with Kane.
 
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MarchysNoseKnows said:
This is what I mean where the “just cut him loose I don’t want him on the Bruins” feelings have no weight. If he’s out of the program, and Bettman doesn’t suspend him (I don’t know how he possibly could legally), he plays if he wants to play. Or more specifically, he’s on the roster if he wants to play.
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There's not much written about it, but it does not appear a NMC means you can't be released outright so long as they pay you.
 
Any buyout would count fully against the cap, I assume. So playing the moral high ground and releasing him would only screw up our already precarious salary cap situation
 
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Good info here

Hopefully the Bruins don't pull the "we had to play him" card when they can just scratch him until the end of his deal. Can't they put Poitras on LTIR? Salaries don't match though.
 
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NMC's don't apply to terminations.

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Believe they can terminate him to get him off the roster/team. That will get him off the team but then the PA can file a grievance over the money. Like Chicago with Perry or San Jose with Kane.
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Not true. Neither Perry nor Kane had a NMC
 
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MarchysNoseKnows said:
I think this discussion goes so much better if everyone realizes that if Lucic is out of the players assistance program and wants to come back, the Bruins have to let him come back.
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This is the important part here that a lot are overlooking. Yes he's been cleared and brings an element that this team is sorely lacking but they've also have had one PR nightmare last season with that Miller kid so they may not want to have another one.
NDiesel said:
As disgusting as it is to abuse, I do I think that most abusers have underlying issues and the way to go is address the issue and rehabilitation. The victim, the kids and the abuser all benefit in a positive way if they can turn their life around.

Separating kids from their parent is the last thing we should want unless completely necessary.
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THIS! THIS! THIS! THIS!

I grew up in a domestic situation for the first 14 years of my life. Alcoholic father who completely destroyed my moms sanity which in turn led to me and my sister being weaponized by them against each other. One day my mom had enough and basically gave him the ultimatum of picking the bottle or his family and thank the lord he chose us. He hasn't had one single drink since 2008 and he completely turned himself around to the point where if you dropped his past self in front of me I probably wouldn't know who they were.

And underlying problems were exactly the cause. His dad was an abusive drunk so he had trauma from that plus he missed me and my sisters entire childhood because he worked the night shift and it at him alive.

Which is why in the end I am on board with bringing him back. I don't approve in anyway of what he did (allegedly) but I watched my dad change before my eyes so I fully believe Looch is capable as well.
 
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After going through all the possible scenarios in my head, just seems like the path of least resistance is him rejoining the team once out of PAP.

Still, there are no great outcomes here.
 
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cshea said:
Right. But Cap Friendly states that players with full NMC's are NOT exempt from contract termination or buyout.

Maybe they are wrong but it seems pretty clear they can terminate witout his consent.
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The buyout window is closed so there’s no possibly for buyout.

Contract termination has to be mutual. You have to waive for a one sided term and he can’t be waived without consent.
 
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cshea said:
Right. But Cap Friendly states that players with full NMC's are NOT exempt from contract termination or buyout.

Maybe they are wrong but it seems pretty clear they can terminate witout his consent.
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They don't even have to deal with that. Just pay him the rest of his salary and be done with it. Outright release, contract paid, he becomes a free agent. Move on.
 
EverettMike said:
They don't even have to deal with that. Just pay him the rest of his salary and be done with it. Outright release, contract paid, he becomes a free agent. Move on.
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Then why do teams even bother with putting them on waivers for unconditional terminations?
 
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