Mike Richards (Warning in OP)

[Herby]

Lmao. He's discussing Richards the same as you. You don't :gasp: like someone disagreeing with your opinion on Richards then maybe you shouldn't have clicked on the Mike Richards thread.

Not even close.

Dean doesn't make personal changes till the 20th game or so Untill there there is not point in beating the richard drum again

Tough to read but I believe he is telling people to stop talking about Richards until the 20th game.

In the Mike Richards thread...When have I once told people to stop talking about a player in a player thread?

BTW, curious to hear your answer to any of my questions, particular #4, since you used a picture of the team celebrating as validation for Richards season. Does that make Corey Perry or Patrick Kane's seasons a failure or disappointment?

 

[damacles1156]

I don't really disagree with anything you say.

- I agree Richards was out of shape last year, and he was one of the worst players on the team. He is in better shape this year and looks like a third or fourth line center, I think you would agree with that, correct?

- The fact that the Kings may lose a player like Williams or Martinez because they didn't just pull the plug on Richards is what BigKing and I are talking about when we say the Kings may lose out on a contributing or multiple contributing players to keep the fourth line center making over $5 mill a season.

- If you don't want to discuss Mike Richards, why are you in the Mike Richards thread? You know I respect your opinion DMac, but coming into a player thread and telling people not to discuss a player with that contract potentially leaving is a bit ridiculous.

We shouldn't even have this thread or discussion, in my opinion(Lombardi made his choice).

That is why I am in here saying GET OVER IT.

But then again it's just an opinion, people are free to disagree.

But I will not be commenting anymore in this thread till the season is over.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I wonder how Rangers fans felt about Scott Gomez before he was traded...

 

[KingCanadain1976]

There is more red on my browsers spell checker than on an episode of Dexter, but I'll try my best.

1. No one is pulling a chicken little on anything. The decision whether to buy out or not to buy out was hotly debated on this board for months. The consensus was to fit everyone into the cap someone(s) was going to have to leave the Kings. The decision to keep Richards showed, whether correct or not that management thought he could atleast return to a level where he could be an elite third line center. We are discussing this in the ::gasp:: Mike Richards discussion thread. If you don't want to discuss Mike Richards in the Mike Richards thread then you shouldn't have clicked on the Mike Richards thread.

2. As I already said, Lombardi has had many more hits than misses in recent years, but even the best GM's have significant misses, even in the middle of glory years.

3. No one is talking about any moves being made right now, the discussion on Mike Richards and his contract was Always about this coming July when all the key players hit UFA and the Kings were able to negotiate with Kopitar.

4. Does the success of the team warrant overlooking certain players not living up to their contracts?

I will have to disagree your doing a great impression imo your continous post we re going to loose someone productive 8 months or more before that will have a chance to happen. Dean has and will continue to be one of the best at resigning players cheap. Now yes i seem to recall the post was 88.3% in favour of keeping richards with people from other teams bring it down to that from 95% where it was king fans doing the voting. I fully admit there was a lot of debate mostly from you and everyone trying to change your opinion stating logical reasons for it. You have the right to and used to to disagree. Your saying the same thing over and over I've read all of it. Try saying something new refreshing worthy of discussion.

2 weather he missed or not i think 10 games is not the point to discuss this again especially because we are doing well ( 5th in the league) we don t have kopitar or gaborik or slava even lewis would help at this point.

3 Seriously there are other things to discuss not something that will go on for 8 months or more Dean has always found a way to fit everyone in that needs to be fitted. Lets look at the players that have got away penner ? suderi ? mitchell which one exactly would make us so much better. that right none of them .If he lets them go there not worth keeping at the price they want in the first place. Dean has taken this team from nothing to cup champs Give him some credit.

4 if the team keeps winning to be honest who cares what who makes. Your making it sound like its coming out of your own pocket. which its not.

Overall In Dean i trust Chicken little posters please stay in the barn.

 

[BigKing]

You people are so touchy about Richards. None of the responses have addressed Richards play other than a quick "He looks better" before launching into some attack about how criticizing Richards is somehow saying that this team sucks when neither Herby or myself have said such a thing.

If I didn't love this team so much, I'd root for the situation to end poorly just so all of you could blow it out of your ***** due to how you are attacking anyone that dare believe keeping him could be a big problem. Accusing of us whining? Hilarious.

I banged the drum for a buyout and still believe it should of happened. Not whining about it though. Neither is Herby. Both of us hope we don't wind up saying "I told you so".

The tenor of some of these posts is teetering dangerously close to the "You aren't a real fan" zone. Brutal.

 

[damacles1156]

You people are so touchy about Richards. None of the responses have addressed Richards play other than a quick "He looks better" before launching into some attack about how criticizing Richards is somehow saying that this team sucks when neither Herby or myself have said such a thing.

If I didn't love this team so much, I'd root for the situation to end poorly just so all of you could blow it out of your ***** due to how you are attacking anyone that dare believe keeping him could be a big problem. Accusing of us whining? Hilarious.

I banged the drum for a buyout and still believe it should of happened. Not whining about it though. Neither is Herby. Both of us hope we don't wind up saying "I told you so".

The tenor of some of these posts is teetering dangerously close to the "You aren't a real fan" zone. Brutal.

Edit: Scratch that, I already stopped caring.

Also does anyone really believe that , Cause Mike Richards makes 5.8 million. Kopitar's contract will somehow not get done ? Does anyone really believe that ?

The only concern should be Kopitar/Doughty/Quick/Carter. remain Kings till they retire. Everyone else is expendable. I am sure Lombardi is probably thinking the same thing.

 

[kingsfan]

Not even close.

More like bang on.

Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they don't want to discuss Richards. It means they don't agree with your comments. So again, if you don't want that, don't post.

 

[BigKing]

Oh...and there it is with the "stay in the barn" comment.

I'm gad you have blind faith. I'm sure life is easier and maybe wish I could just believe that everything will be fine. Unfortunately, I know DL is not infallible and there are legitimate concerns this contract could wind up costing the Kings. Ignoring that is sheer ignorance.

At least damacles is admitting that it might have an impact on keeping other players. That is a contribution to this thread in defense of Mike Richards while not dismissing the viewpoint of those that believe it will and/or prefer to keep a Williams over Richards.

You can't debate effectively unless you can argue the other sides point as well unless it is insane, of course. Since our stance on Richards is in no way insane, you are doing a horrible job of debating since you refuse to even acknowledge that this could end poorly while also testing the limits of my patience as it pertains to attempting to read what a select few would describe as English.

 

[BigKing]

Edit: Scratch that, I already stopped caring.

Also does anyone really believe that , Cause Mike Richards makes 5.8 million. Kopitar's contract will somehow not get done ? Does anyone really believe that ?

The only concern should be Kopitar/Doughty/Quick/Carter. remain Kings till they retire. Everyone else is expendable. I am sure Lombardi is probably thinking the same thing.

Keeping the core is obviously the most important thing; I don't think you are going to get an argument there. I'd disagree that everyone else is "expendable", however.

If Richards can somehow not keep regressing, then it won't be as bad; however, Father Time has the best W/L record of all-time.

 

[damacles1156]

Oh...and there it is with the "stay in the barn" comment.

I'm gad you have blind faith. I'm sure life is easier and maybe wish I could just believe that everything will be fine. Unfortunately, I know DL is not infallible and there are legitimate concerns this contract could wind up costing the Kings. Ignoring that is sheer ignorance.

At least damacles is admitting that it might have an impact on keeping other players. That is a contribution to this thread in defense of Mike Richards while not dismissing the viewpoint of those that believe it will and/or prefer to keep a Williams over Richards.

You can't debate effectively unless you can argue the other sides point as well unless it is insane, of course. Since our stance on Richards is in no way insane, you are doing a horrible job of debating since you refuse to even acknowledge that this could end poorly while also testing the limits of my patience as it pertains to attempting to read what a select few would describe as English.

He can still be bought out, it just costs the Kings cap space for a good bit(25% of the contract).

Like I said above, the only concern should be Kopitar/Doughty/Quick/Carter.

Everyone else is cannon fodder. I am ready to part with any King, if it comes down too it.

 

[BigKing]

He can still be bought out, it just costs the Kings cap space for a good bit(25% of the contract).

Like I said above, the only concern should be Kopitar/Doughty/Quick/Carter.

Everyone else is cannon fodder. I am ready to part with any King, if it comes down too it.

Buying him out while still having him against the cap would be the worst case scenario unless he turns into Brad Chartrand.

Pittsburgh just needed to keep Crosby/Malkin/Letang/Fleury and everything would be okay. Completely dismissing the rest of the team is foolish. You absolutely have to keep the core together but you have to have the right supporting cast a well. If I was into posting snarky photos, I'd post one of the dude sitting with the Cup and his recent Conn Smythe trophy.

I do commend you for having an opinion that is supported by logic though and completely understand where you are coming from.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

It's been 10 games. That's what, 13% of the season? While it's a little early and under bad circumstances to reach any full conclusions, it's well within the realm of discussion without needing to resort to any more fan /fanbase generalizing. Will utilize threadbans from here on out to save posters from themselves if they can't disagree civilly.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Pittsburgh example is a good one. I wouldn't say anyone is expendable, but there will have to be SOME cap casualties. That's just reality when you have a good team, especially an experienced one. We're fortunate to have even Toffoli and Pearson under some sort of cost control right now which facilitates our cap; the question becomes who goes? Richards, or someone else (or two) making 3-4 million? And that's not saying one player or another sucks, just literally some one will have to go in order to make space for new players and we will have to start working some ELCs in soon.

Unless someone like Stoll wants to take sub-1 million to be a 4th liner.

 

[damacles1156]

Buying him out while still having him against the cap would be the worst case scenario unless he turns into Brad Chartrand.

Pittsburgh just needed to keep Crosby/Malkin/Letang/Fleury and everything would be okay. Completely dismissing the rest of the team is foolish. You absolutely have to keep the core together but you have to have the right supporting cast a well. If I was into posting snarky photos, I'd post one of the dude sitting with the Cup and his recent Conn Smythe trophy.

I do commend you for having an opinion that is supported by logic though and completely understand where you are coming from.

Pitt's problem is not that Crosby/Letang/Malkin/ETc make too much money.

Depth is not a problem for Pitt, their problem is they don't play, playoff hockey(they have trouble playing Defense). But that's not a depth issue.

Crosby is a freaking ghost in the playoff's. THAT is Pitt's problem. If Crosby gets his act together sometime here. Pitt is going to win another Cup.

 

[10 ft. pole]

trade Richards to Edmonton for their 2nd and a 3rd. Paying a 3rd line center (thats being generous given his pla) or 4th line center (appropriate) 5.5 million a year as a cap hit is poor asset management. Stoll would resign cheap on a 2 year and we could use the rest to lock up Top Titty and Pearson.

 

[MOGlLNY]

It's been 10 games. That's what, 13% of the season? While it's a little early and under bad circumstances to reach any full conclusions, it's well within the realm of discussion without needing to resort to any more fan /fanbase generalizing. Will utilize threadbans from here on out to save posters from themselves if they can't disagree civilly.

Bring da hammer down.

 

[kilowatt]

Pitt's problem is not that Crosby/Letang/Malkin/ETc make too much money.

Depth is not a problem for Pitt, their problem is they don't play, playoff hockey(they have trouble playing Defense). But that's not a depth issue.

Crosby is a freaking ghost in the playoff's. THAT is Pitt's problem. If Crosby gets his act together sometime here. Pitt is going to win another Cup.

You know, I hear a lot that Crosby is a ghost in the playoffs, but his point totals don't really show that at all.

2007: 5 games, 5 points
2008: 20 games, 27 points
2009: 24 games, 31 points
2010: 13 games, 19 points
2012: 6 games, 8 points
2013: 14 games, 15 points
2014: 13 games, 9 points

I'd love to have that ghost on my team.

 

[kingsholygrail]

What are we paying Kopitar for? Guy's only got 3pts and makes more than Richards.

Dustin Brown too, for that matter. He's got a goal. That's it.

 

[Winger23]

All I have to say is the kings have won 2 cups, and have won 10 of their past 11 series, yet people still are questioning DL ability to manage to team and cap? All this bickering about Richards is a ****ing joke.

 

[kingsholygrail]

I'd be more concerned about Richards if he was singled out from the other top forwards for production, but the only top forwards that are producing anything meaningful are on one line.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

If anything, it's been shown in the past that Mike Richards is exactly the kind of guy that Lomardi wants for this team and thinks is good for this team, both on the ice and in the room, he isn't going anywhere.

What that means is that hard decisions have to be made, I think Stoll is gone, I think Williams might be gone as well despite having won the Con Smythe.

You have Andreoff that replaces Stoll on the 4th line while moving Richards up to the 3rd line, and Weal possibly a replacement for Williams?

Something like this in the future,

Gaborik - Kopitar - Brown
Pearson - Carter - Toffoli
King - Richards - Lewis
Nolan - Andreoff - Weal

Doughty - Muzzin
Voynov (?) - McNabb
Martinez - Greene

Quick
Jones

At some point, players will have to be either let go or moved, that's the nature of the game, but I think you guys are fooling yourselves if you think Richards is going to be one of them...(caveat, unless there comes an outstanding offer)

 

[moosehead81]

I'd be more concerned about Richards if he was singled out from the other top forwards for production, but the only top forwards that are producing anything meaningful are on one line.

Nailed it! Tough for a guy like Richards to score anything in the way of substantial numbers 5 on 5 playing with 2 slugs on the wing and, to boot, getting little or no power play time. Only Gretzky, and maybe Crosby, are capable of putting up numbers playing with two, almost less than 4th line capable, wingers. If Richards was sitting 8th or 9th in points among playing forwards, and still getting 15 minutes average TOI, then I'd worry. But, except for the Carter line (and knowing Kopitar and Gaborik are hurt), the whole damn bunch of forwards are doing didley squat so I wouldn't be so quick to jump on Richards alone. How many games have been won this year on the back of Quick alone and not because of the offensive machine the Kings are currently?

So, lets give it a rest for a while, get the walking wounded and those under investigation back and see where it goes.

 

[Reaper45]

I've stayed out of this discussion long enough. I love Richards. But I'm coming to the point that I think a trade is due. He is still at the point where we can get something decent for him and I think the money freed up can help address the need we have specifically on d.

 

[verbalkint47]

I'm curious as to why Richards gets all the attention when Brown has basically the same contract and has produced less last season and this year. There also seems to be a lot of people complaining about his contract yet most posters seem willing to throw $4+ million at a 3rd pairing d-man. I won't see Richards as the reason we lose anyone, it will be the combo of Richards, Gaborik's contract, and Brown's/ that we do. Just my $.02

 

[Captain Mittens*]

I'm curious as to why Richards gets all the attention when Brown has basically the same contract and has produced less last season and this year. T

Because Brown can do this