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Mike Richards VI (UGH): The Armageddon Edition (MOD NOTE POST #1)

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KINGS17 said:
Mike Richards doesn't get to make this call. He owes full disclosore of his legal situation to the Kings almost immediately so they can make decisions accordingly.
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I know that. What I'm saying is, if he expected to get bought out, and the Kings weren't going to terminate his contract over oxy, then what would be his motivation for not informing the Kings of the situation?

Based on what we know, I don't see the upside to not disclosing it to the Kings.

I think there has to be more to this story.
 
johnjm22 said:
I know that. What I'm saying is, if he expected to get bought out, and the Kings weren't going to terminate his contract over oxy, then what would be his motivation for not informing the Kings of the situation?

Based on what we know, I don't see the upside to not disclosing it to the Kings.

I think there has to be more to this story.
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There may be, but there doesn't have to be IMO. Failing to notify the Kings of his legal status may in fact be a direct material breach of his contract. An arbitrator may have to decide.

Mike Richards doesn't get to withhold the information until he gets his money. If thinking he can withhold the information until after July 1, will allow him to collect his buy out money with no questions asked, well sorry Mikey that's not how it works.

It's hard to know what motivated Richards to keep it a secret. Maybe he just made a really stupid decision. A decision which may have consequences. I seem to remember that as almost an axiom from my ethics classes. Decisions have consequences, especially poor decisions.
 
efhank said:
If Richards told the team earlier, would what actually happened have changed what the Kings are thinking. No. Kings knew everything in time. They were not harmed. Not sure if he specifically had to tell them about an interview conducted at the border that he felt might have been ridiculous. We don't know if the detainment was really an arrest, do we? No charges yet? Did he get any parking tickets last week? At which point if the whole incident was rather lame in the first place, do we sit around and go that it doesn't matter if it was lame, he should have called DL? I don't know. I don't think there's enough in the CBA defining how much he's supposed to be informing the team. It'd be nice if he communicated, and all your guys are very responsible this way, but to say there's something like moral problems because he doesn't call is a stretch. It's the Kings taking words in the CBA, and wanting desperately for this to stick.
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Man, you're really bending over backwards to see it Mike's way. It definitely might have changed what the Kings were thinking.

Obviously they were thinking trade, and when they found out about this it changed their thinking. If they know about it when it happened maybe they are thinking suspension or LTIR until he completes treatment.

No way should it be Richards just keeps it under wraps and walks away with his buy out money. There is what amounts to a morals clause in the CBA. Richards seems to have violated it, and impacted the Kings ability to conduct normal hockey operations (e.g. a trade). That matters.
 
KINGS17 said:
Man, you're really bending over backwards to see it Mike's way. It definitely might have changed what the Kings were thinking.

Obviously they were thinking trade, and when they found out about this it changed their thinking. If they know about it when it happened maybe they are thinking suspension or LTIR until he completes treatment.

No way should it be Richards just keeps it under wraps and walks away with his buy out money. There is what amounts to a morals clause in the CBA. Richards seems to have violated it, and impacted the Kings ability to conduct normal hockey operations (e.g. a trade). That matters.
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And I'm going to bend over to see it Mike's way because this may turn out to be nothing more than being detained while a vehicle search was undertaken by Customs officials. It happens and it can happen just as easily as an official thinking one is lying when asked a question about anything to declare up to how long were you in the States. Maybe Mike was directly asked if he was carrying any drugs, responded "no" and had his vehicle searched. Maybe he responded "yes" and had his vehicle searched. Maybe he wasn't asked at all and still had his vehicle searched. One could reasonably assume he was permanently moving his goods from LA so maybe the vehicle was packed tight with lots of stuff. Maybe the vehicle was searched because the official recognized the name and photo on the passport and felt the old rumors out of Philadelphia were true. Chance to make a name for oneself. Doesn't matter.

In any case, it appears that a quantity of oxycontin was discovered but there's no proof that an "arrest" was made at the time. My sense is that the amount of drug was small but just having it would likely necessitate seizure and a subsequent police investigation. A large amount would likely result in an immediate arrest and a trip to downtown Winnipeg. Richards may not even have realized that he was committing an offence of some sort, particularly if he declared the drug at the time of entry and, given no arrest at the time, may not have even felt it to be as serious as some are making out here. And even if the opposite were true, he may well then have called his agent who could have advised him to do all sorts of things. I'm almost positive that had he been arrested, he would have been read his rights and would have called his agent after.

In any case, he has truly and well been thrown under the bus by the Kings for whatever the actual facts are. I'm just hoping that, unlike some other professional athletes, he's not having a drug "issue" for trying to overcome hurt and play the game and that when the whole story comes out, as it invariably will, we're all a little more magnanimous towards the player. After all, like us all, he's human and we all have skeletons.
 
moosehead81 said:
And I'm going to bend over to see it Mike's way because this may turn out to be nothing more than being detained while a vehicle search was undertaken by Customs officials. It happens and it can happen just as easily as an official thinking one is lying when asked a question about anything to declare up to how long were you in the States. Maybe Mike was directly asked if he was carrying any drugs, responded "no" and had his vehicle searched. Maybe he responded "yes" and had his vehicle searched. Maybe he wasn't asked at all and still had his vehicle searched. One could reasonably assume he was permanently moving his goods from LA so maybe the vehicle was packed tight with lots of stuff. Maybe the vehicle was searched because the official recognized the name and photo on the passport and felt the old rumors out of Philadelphia were true. Chance to make a name for oneself. Doesn't matter.

In any case, it appears that a quantity of oxycontin was discovered but there's no proof that an "arrest" was made at the time. My sense is that the amount of drug was small but just having it would likely necessitate seizure and a subsequent police investigation. A large amount would likely result in an immediate arrest and a trip to downtown Winnipeg. Richards may not even have realized that he was committing an offence of some sort, particularly if he declared the drug at the time of entry and, given no arrest at the time, may not have even felt it to be as serious as some are making out here. And even if the opposite were true, he may well then have called his agent who could have advised him to do all sorts of things. I'm almost positive that had he been arrested, he would have been read his rights and would have called his agent after.

In any case, he has truly and well been thrown under the bus by the Kings for whatever the actual facts are. I'm just hoping that, unlike some other professional athletes, he's not having a drug "issue" for trying to overcome hurt and play the game and that when the whole story comes out, as it invariably will, we're all a little more magnanimous towards the player. After all, like us all, he's human and we all have skeletons.
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Again, you are focusing on the act, not his failure to report it to the Kings. His failure to report it to the Kings affected their ability to make informed decisions. That may be a material breach of his contract.

I don't care if he called his agent. If the Kings weren't informed, they screwed up. That's not the Kings fault. It sure looks like Dean called Newport and told them that a trade was imminent and then they came clean with the information that Richards was being investigated.

I am not being critical of what might be a drug problem. His lack of complete honesty regarding his legal status, that's a problem.
 
moosehead81 said:
And I'm going to bend over to see it Mike's way because this may turn out to be nothing more than being detained while a vehicle search was undertaken by Customs officials. It happens and it can happen just as easily as an official thinking one is lying when asked a question about anything to declare up to how long were you in the States. Maybe Mike was directly asked if he was carrying any drugs, responded "no" and had his vehicle searched. Maybe he responded "yes" and had his vehicle searched. Maybe he wasn't asked at all and still had his vehicle searched. One could reasonably assume he was permanently moving his goods from LA so maybe the vehicle was packed tight with lots of stuff. Maybe the vehicle was searched because the official recognized the name and photo on the passport and felt the old rumors out of Philadelphia were true. Chance to make a name for oneself. Doesn't matter.

In any case, it appears that a quantity of oxycontin was discovered but there's no proof that an "arrest" was made at the time. My sense is that the amount of drug was small but just having it would likely necessitate seizure and a subsequent police investigation. A large amount would likely result in an immediate arrest and a trip to downtown Winnipeg. Richards may not even have realized that he was committing an offence of some sort, particularly if he declared the drug at the time of entry and, given no arrest at the time, may not have even felt it to be as serious as some are making out here. And even if the opposite were true, he may well then have called his agent who could have advised him to do all sorts of things. I'm almost positive that had he been arrested, he would have been read his rights and would have called his agent after.

In any case, he has truly and well been thrown under the bus by the Kings for whatever the actual facts are. I'm just hoping that, unlike some other professional athletes, he's not having a drug "issue" for trying to overcome hurt and play the game and that when the whole story comes out, as it invariably will, we're all a little more magnanimous towards the player. After all, like us all, he's human and we all have skeletons.
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I just...I don't even have the words. If anyone tried to throw anyone else under the bus it was Richards throwing the Kings under the bus ever since him and Lombardi sat down and came to an agreement at the end of last season. Lombardi put his butt on the line and showed Richards loyalty and Richards didn't return it. He doesn't stay to get in shape this off-season either when asked, and now this? You really think the RCMP is having an ongoing investigation, Newport Sports is telling every reporter from here to Christmas to keep their mouth shut, and Lombardi took the risk of terminating the contract with the NHL agreeing over a simple case of "Oh man, I forgot I had some pills on me when I crossed the border." and so Richards didn't think it was a big deal so he didn't bother reporting it? I hope you're not a betting man.
 
Chain said:
I just...I don't even have the words. If anyone tried to throw anyone else under the bus it was Richards throwing the Kings under the bus ever since him and Lombardi sat down and came to an agreement at the end of last season. Lombardi put his butt on the line and showed Richards loyalty and Richards didn't return it. He doesn't stay to get in shape this off-season either when asked, and now this? You really think the RCMP is having an ongoing investigation, Newport Sports is telling every reporter from here to Christmas to keep their mouth shut, and Lombardi took the risk of terminating the contract with the NHL agreeing over a simple case of "Oh man, I forgot I had some pills on me when I crossed the border." and so Richards didn't think it was a big deal so he didn't bother reporting it? I hope you're not a betting man.
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Yeah, some people are trying awfully hard to find wrong in what Dean is doing. What about what Richards did?
 
Or how about taking time to consider how smartly and strictly the Kings have been run as a business under DL? Why would anyone think DL would simply throw up a hail mary on this sort of a thing. I am more than willing to give time for everything to shake out before I go throwing anyone under the bus. DL and co are smart savy pro's who have shown time and time again that loyalty to themselves and their team is an integral part of their operation. I refuse to jump to any conclusions that makes me have to imagine them being anything other than what they have shown to date. Regardless of what any mat may have written on it.
 
Chain said:
I just...I don't even have the words
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Are you surprised that people who for the past two years have blamed everyone and everything for MR's pathetic play on the ice except for MR himself are now doing the same for his pathetic actions off it?

"Viral Infections" and "Sutter Hating Him" have given way to a "Customs Agent Trying to Make a Name For Himself", it really is sad. I just hope that those close to MR who truly love him are there to get him the help he clearly needs.
 
Herby said:
Are you surprised that people who for the past two years have blamed everyone and everything for MR's pathetic play on the ice except for MR himself are now doing the same for his pathetic actions off it?

"Viral Infections" and "Sutter Hating Him" have given way to a "Customs Agent Trying to Make a Name For Himself", it really is sad. I just hope that those close to MR who truly love him are there to get him the help he clearly needs.
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Yeah, waiting to see how this one is Sutter's fault.
 
One of the excuses for Richards mediocre/poor on ice play has always been that he brings character and leadership.

But his actions haven't really been consistent with someone of high moral character.

Some of the people that make excuses for him, are the same people that constantly crap on Dustin Brown; the guy that actually does have character, and did actually lead us to a cup.
 
johnjm22 said:
One of the excuses for Richards mediocre/poor on ice play has always been that he brings character and leadership.

But his actions haven't really been consistent with someone of high moral character.

Some of the people that make excuses for him, are the same people that constantly crap on Dustin Brown; the guy that actually does have character, and did actually lead us to a cup.
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Well, cause you know Dustin Brown is a *****-whipped family guy, not a fun-loving, cool party guy.
 
Reclamation Project said:
This is probably gonna sound a bit outlandish, but I'll throw it out there anyways. Wasn't Jones with Stoll when all that **** went down in Vegas? I wonder if Dean added him to that package in an effort to purge the roster of anyone with ties to that activity. Why would Boston want a goalie? Who knows with that GM though. Always thought it was odd to have Jones in that package opposed to simply trading him for picks. Maybe Boston wanted him though making the point moot.
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Interesting theory, but he was traded for Lucic who isn't known as a good guy. Also he has a history of going after rumored knuckleheads as our board knows all too well. :)
 
KingsFan7824 said:
And again, this is something that Lombardi is willing to risk his reputation for? I'm going to assume, fully aware of what it means if he doesn't have something to back up this course of action? Dragging a player through the mud, dragging the league into a fight with the PA, and an all around devil may care attitude toward the CBA? Just because he was a stupid sucker last summer? It's possible.
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I think you are looking at this in a "glass is half empty" mindset. Dean could of bought Mike out a year ago. Sure. But by waiting a year, and giving Mike a chance to redeem himself, Dean now saves (as it stands now) the Kings organization close to 20 million dollars. This is a business after all. You must remember that. Plus, it is not Dean's fault that Mike did what he did at the boarder. Mike actually dragged himself through the mud. To blame Dean for Mike's actions is ridiculous. Anyway, I think Dean made a brilliant move in not buying Mike out a year ago. And I'm sure the owner is mighty pleased as well (minus sad feelings for Mikey.) My 3 cents.
 
apadilla said:
I think you are looking at this in a "glass is half empty" mindset. Dean could of bought Mike out a year ago. Sure. But by waiting a year, and giving Mike a chance to redeem himself, Dean now saves (as it stands now) the Kings organization close to 20 million dollars. This is a business after all. You must remember that. Plus, it is not Dean's fault that Mike did what he did at the boarder. Mike actually dragged himself through the mud. To blame Dean for Mike's actions is ridiculous. Anyway, I think Dean made a brilliant move in not buying Mike out a year ago. And I'm sure the owner is mighty pleased as well (minus sad feelings for Mikey.) My 3 cents.
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I agree with you on pretty much all of your points. Regardless of whether it was a mistake or not, I think the fact that Dean chose to give Richards another chance after having a heart-to-heart in Mike's own home proves that he, as a GM, has acted in good faith. He did something not many other GM's would have done and a lot of people here have crucified him for it. I dont think for one second that all of the sudden Dean is a man scorned and out for retribution. He's proved to us all that he's too smart to make a decision of that magnitude based on 'bitterness' or whatever you want to call it. There IS more to this story than we know. There has to be. Have some faith in Lombardi, he's the best GM we've ever had
 
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