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Mike Reilly, free agent coming out of college (Signing in Minnesota)

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lumbergh

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lumbergh said:
I didn't see this posted anywhere. Looks like Mike Reilly is not signing with Columbus. The Kings are one of three teams that he's considering, according to the Columbus Dispatch.

http://bluejacketsxtra.dispatch.com...s/2015/06/reilly-says-no-to-blue-jackets.html

Not really sure why a prospect would want to sign with the Kings with the logjam already here, but what the heck. What's the word on this guy?
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I seen he was considering LA a while back but didn't see we made the top 3-4. Cool.

Can't say much about him, though he is a decent puckmoving D-man from what i have gleaned. Seems like a Thomas Hickey more than anything, so a solid 4-6 D-man, which isn't bad, but it's not a kid to get overly excited about either. Then again, I haven't paid much attention to him since about a year after his draft year, so maybe I'm off.

Why would he come to LA? Yes, we have a bit of a logjam, but we also have a good track record of pumping out NHl caliber D-men, so development may be a big factor for him, and may have also been a big factor why he didn't go to Columbus who doesn't have as good of a track record of developing draft picks (though I think the past 2-3 years that has changed a lot, especially with Kekelainen (sp?) in there).
 
He is a higher end defensive prospect then anyone the Kings have in their system. He will be 22 years old when the season starts and NHL ready. I'm sure all the teams in the running have let him know he is going to likely be on their NHL roster. And there is no concern from him or his agent because the teams in the running all have really solid rosters.

I don't think this is a guy who will be riding buses next season, no matter where he signs.
 
I don't know kingsfan, he was a pretty good player for the Goofers the past couple of years. He won't be a savior, but this is a pretty good d-man, with good offensive skill and his size is average for a d-man.

There isn't really much developing left to do, he has played three years of NCAA hockey. This isn't some 20 year old kid coming out of junior who needs his hand held in the minors for three years.
 
Pretty high end skill the guy has.

He is NHL ready right now, he doesn't need to play in the AHL. He was easily the best Defender in the Big Ten, over the last two years.
 
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I'm fine with signing this kid if his cap hit is less than that of Alec Martinez. Maybe he's the answer as the PMD on the 3rd pairing.

I still think Martinez is trade bait.
 
The problem is he's a Chicago kid and all signs point to them. They need a young, cheap, guy, he's skilled, he's from the town, they just won a championship...I don't see how he DOESNT sign with them unless the money isn't right.
 
Herby said:
I don't know kingsfan, he was a pretty good player for the Goofers the past couple of years. He won't be a savior, but this is a pretty good d-man, with good offensive skill and his size is average for a d-man.

There isn't really much developing left to do, he has played three years of NCAA hockey. This isn't some 20 year old kid coming out of junior who needs his hand held in the minors for three years.
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You could be right, like I said I really haven't followed him much the past two or three years. Beyond the draft I tend to focus more in on how Kings prospects and the higher end draft picks do, and he was neither.

I'd be hesitant to hand him a roster spot for a variety of reasons though, but I trust DL. I can't look right now but does he or did he have any teammates that are/were Kings draft picks? Maybe the Kings have been viewing him for a while? I'd check but I'm at work.
 
I would say the Hawks have the inside track though. Mike Reilly was born in Chicago, probably grew up a Hawks fan.

Also the Hawks desperately need someone like Mike Reilly on their third pairing.
 
Brad Doty said:
The problem is he's a Chicago kid and all signs point to them. They need a young, cheap, guy, he's skilled, he's from the town, they just won a championship...I don't see how he DOESNT sign with them unless the money isn't right.
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He'll be a UFA right? So no guarantees he's cheap, look at Schultz with Edmonton.
 
Brad Doty said:
The problem is he's a Chicago kid and all signs point to them. They need a young, cheap, guy, he's skilled, he's from the town, they just won a championship...I don't see how he DOESNT sign with them unless the money isn't right.
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I believe he was born in Chicago but raised in Minnesota and obviously going to school at the University of Minnesota. And those are two teams in his Final 4.

But the Kings give him an opportunity to likely play right away on a pretty damn good team and live by the beach, that may be appealing to him also.
 
Herby said:
I believe he was born in Chicago but raised in Minnesota and obviously going to school at the University of Minnesota. And those are two teams in his Final 4.

But the Kings give him an opportunity to likely play right away on a pretty damn good team and live by the beach, that may be appealing to him also.
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Hehe Beach bribe.

Slight off topic but related with bribes.

Funny story about Jack Eichel; reporters asked him about Arizona state starting their division one program in hockey. Asked Eichel if he thought they would have problems recruiting kids to play in Arizona.

Eichel "They won't have problems recruiting".
Reporter "Why not ?, it's hockey in the desert ?".
Eichel "You seen the Women that attend ASU ?"
Reporters all started laughing.
 
damacles1156 said:
Hehe Beach bribe.

Slight off topic but related with bribes.

Funny story about Jack Eichel; reporters asked him about Arizona state starting their division one program in hockey. Asked Eichel if he thought they would have problems recruiting kids to play in Arizona.

Eichel "They won't have problems recruiting".
Reporter "Why not ?, it's hockey in the desert ?".
Eichel "You seen the Women that attend ASU ?"
Reporters all started laughing.
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Yeah, the whole idea that you have to freeze your ass off outside to play hockey inside is going to become passe.
 
kingsfan said:
He'll be a UFA right? So no guarantees he's cheap, look at Schultz with Edmonton.
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He still has to sign an ELC, so his contract can be bloated with bonus incentives. Unless I'm mistaken, the bonuses wouldn't count immediately against the cap just the 925K max salary. If Reilly were to attain the bonuses, that would then count later which could put them in a bad spot. But in the short term, he'd be an ideal add for Chicago.
 
KINGS17 said:
Yeah, the whole idea that you have to freeze your ass off outside to play hockey inside is going to become passe.
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True,

But tradition, fan support and other factors weigh in to. But, no matter what sport it is most kids want to stay close to home to play.
 
I applaud Lombardi for even trying. The Kings desperately need, Cheap/Young, High end skill infused into the lineup.
 
Herby said:
True,

But tradition, fan support and other factors weigh in to. But, no matter what sport it is most kids want to stay close to home to play.
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A lot of kids are playing now in Southern California. Arizona State has the only Division 1 hockey program in the Pac-12. If I am the ASU hockey coach, I know what I am selling.

Hey boys, it's the kids from the sun belt plus whatever smart snowbird kids we can get vs the World. A lot of high school hockey being played in the Dallas area as well. That could be furtile recruiting ground for the Sun Devils as well.

Some great athletes in the states of California and Texas that aren't big enough or maybe fast enough to play D1 football. Hockey is a great alternative for those kind of kids.
 
Brodeur said:
He still has to sign an ELC, so his contract can be bloated with bonus incentives. Unless I'm mistaken, the bonuses wouldn't count immediately against the cap just the 925K max salary. If Reilly were to attain the bonuses, that would then count later which could put them in a bad spot. But in the short term, he'd be an ideal add for Chicago.
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i think bonuses count the following season. I'd imagine that would be a big factor if teams think the cap won't go up much next year either.
 
I don't think his chicago ties are that strong. His father is a minority owner of the Min. Wild.
I'll be thrilled if he signs with the Hawks. But i don't think him being born in Chicago is all that important. He's lived all his life in Minnesota.
Hoping having the Stanley Cup in his grasp seduces him to be part of this team, maybe get a shot of hoisting it himself on ice. Get a couple of rings with the hawks.

The cup is calling Mikey
 
kingsfan said:
i think bonuses count the following season. I'd imagine that would be a big factor if teams think the cap won't go up much next year either.
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If the bonuses are achieved they'll count. The "B" bonuses seem harder for a defenseman to achieve.

Here's a handy breakdown: http://www.wingingitinmotown.com/2013/6/14/4414710/getting-to-know-the-cba-episode-2-the-draft

Performance bonuses are fairly strictly-defined. They're automatically counted as "earned" for cap space consideration, but don't have to be paid unless earned. There are two categories of bonuses which can be paid:

1: Individual "A" Bonuses - These are broken into categories like ice time, goals, and plus/minus. Each category has a minimum requirement a team can bonus for (10 goals, for example) and each category may not create more than $215,00 worth of bonuses (you can bonus $100K at 10 goals and then $115K at 15 goals if you want). Total "A" Bonuses can't exceed $850,000.

2: Individual "B" Bonuses - This is kind of a two-part bonus system based on performance comparative to the rest of the league. First off, the league itself will pay the player a bonus outside of his Club-paid salary if he does things like earns a place in the top five for postseason awards like the Hart, Selke, or Vezina; or if he places top ten in the league in offensive/goaltending categories. On top of the league bonuses, the club can pay bonuses of up to $2M to the player for making these awards.

Basically, entry-level deals are a great way to inflate a cap hit without inflating a salary number. You have to offer the league minimum ($525,000 this season), but can't pay a player more than $925,000 in regular salary plus $850,000 in A bonuses plus $2,000,000 in B bonuses. This is how you get the maximum $3,775,000 hit for guys like Justin Schultz, who is a great example of a drafted player waiting until he's old enough to reach free agency.
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Barring a ridiculous season by Reilly (ie, winning the Norris), he wouldn't have a cap busting contract.
 
For those who haven't watched a lot of college hockey, some points.
First, he wouldn't be the first offensive minded college kid without a lot of size whose defensive short comings get exposed. He really needs time in the AHL. Second, he played a lot of games on an Olympic size rink at Minnesota, which greatly benefited his style. Third, his style is far less of a match at this point for the Kings system of play then say how Chicago or the Wild play. Good signing? Perhaps!! Quick fix for next year, I'd wouldn't bet on it.
 
kingsfan said:
i think bonuses count the following season. I'd imagine that would be a big factor if teams think the cap won't go up much next year either.
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Brodeur said:
If the bonuses are achieved they'll count. The "B" bonuses seem harder for a defenseman to achieve.

Here's a handy breakdown: http://www.wingingitinmotown.com/2013/6/14/4414710/getting-to-know-the-cba-episode-2-the-draft



Barring a ridiculous season by Reilly (ie, winning the Norris), he wouldn't have a cap busting contract.
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Bonuses are an interesting thing.

Basically if your a cap strapped team you can consider a player on a bonus laden ELC as a 925K player. You can do that. But any bonuses he earns past your cap number go onto next year's cap. The prime example of this was Toews in Chicago in 2010. They were right up against the cap so when he hit his bonus by winning Conn Smythe it had to be applied the next year. Had they had more cap space during that season it could have been applied to that season, but they were out of room. It's why teams generally don't chance the bonuses if they can avoid it.
 
I got some bonus ideas for him

"$1m if he falls down more than Brown"
"$500k if he shoots wide more than Stoll"
"$2m if he loses his man more than Richards"
"$800k if he shoots into the goalies logo more than Lewis"
 
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