Listen man we can have differing opinions....I am not going to argue with someone who is never wrong. Move on
Player Discussion Mike Matheson
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Mrb1p
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I'm wrong plenty and we can have different opinions.
Having the opinion that Kaiden Guhle isn't a top 4 defender is just straight lunacy. Expect to get called out when you have ridiculous opinions.
I said he isn't a top pairing guy currently and may end up a top 4 guy. That's my opinion. I don't give a f*** if you call me out. I don't feel the need to ignore you because you are entertaining and not much else.
Mrb1p
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"May end up a top 4 guy" directly means he is not one right now, which means you called him a bottom pair D.
That's what you said.
You misunderstood then because most think he is a top pairing guy and I said he may end up being a top 4 guy. I never said he was a bottom pairing Dman. He is playing top pairing minutes but imo isn't a top pairing guy. He may become one..
What's your criteria or standard for "top pairing"?
I'd argue that Guhle would play top pairing minutes on at least 1/3 of NHL teams right now, so I'd agree with @Mrb1p , there's little case to be made that he isn't "top pairing" caliber right now, even if not yet (or not ever) a legit #1 dman or in the "elite" or "all-star" caliber of top pair dmen.
I see a young Dman with good potential who could become a top pairing guy on a playoff team. I don't see a top pairing guy based on his play this season. He has the upside but he isn't there yet. This is an opinion that shouldn't be this controversial.
Meh, he's playing better than several dmen that played top pairing minutes in last year's playoffs.
But that wasn't my question... Do you have an actual criteria or basis for what you consider a "top pairing dman"?
& Yes, certainly It's fine to have an opinion based solely on emotion/without any actual criteria, just doesn't make for a particularly good argument.
Shouldn't be "controversial" to have that pointed out
Criteria? I just watch the games, have been for over 50 years and I have my criteria of whether a player is top pairing material. A top pairing guy should be able to play 22+ minutes against top players, kill penalties, play on the PP and used in the last minute of games effectively. Just because he is playing on the top pair in Montreal currently doesn't make him a top pairing guy. Kaiden Guhle based on the many years of watching hockey looks to me to be a solid 2nd pairing guy. He also needs to learn how to take a hit and better protect himself.Meh, he's playing better than several dmen that played top pairing minutes in last year's playoffs.
But that wasn't my question... Do you have an actual criteria or basis for what you consider a "top pairing dman"?
& Yes, certainly It's fine to have an opinion based solely on emotion/without any actual criteria, just doesn't make for a particularly good argument.
Shouldn't be "controversial" to have that pointed out
The word emotion is not something used to describe me when I post on this forum. I post here for fun. Life throws too many challenges in one's path to get emotional on a hockey chat forum.
Sure... Matheson played 25+ last year vs top players...
I'd offer that usage and effectiveness are two distinct criteria.
Agree with the last part... Though I'm legit curious how many teams you think Guhle would not get top pairing roles/minutes?
I put it at about 1/3 that he'd be an upgrade on their current #2.
Sure, but I think it important to consider these things relative to the rest of the league.
"I put it at about 1/3 that he'd be an upgrade on their current #2." I don't rate him as high.
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JianYang
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Matheson/Hutson pairing created a lot of scoring chances last game. Small sample size but could be onto something
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Because the owner of the team said this years goal is to be “in da mix”, to which HuGo then followed up by repeating the same catch phrase.
That's fine, but we do not have enough elite d-men to say that Matheson is expendable. A winning team needs 4 top-3 D-men.
Matheson is a double threat. Hutson has no shot. But I'd be ok having them both and removing Dach from PP1.
LOLOL.
Last night, Matheson was not playing. Where did Guhle play?
Were we better off with Barron than Matheson?
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My preference would be to remove Dach and put Hutson and Slaf. Dach is superfluous.
Petry played an average of 22.70 minutes per game during his 7+ seasons here.
He was second behind Weber who played 24.10 minutes per game.
