Value of: Mikael Granlund to a contender

[olli]

What happened to this guy in Nashville his last few years and Pittsburgh and how did he bounce back so much (apart from getting so much ice time on a horrible team)

 

[olli]

SJ should trade him at the deadline and if he really wants to come back they can sign him as a FA

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I don't think anyone is going to be breaking down the doors to trade a 1st for Granlund, my brother.

I agree they won't be breaking down the doors but I think the Sharks can make it happen. They may have to add a draft pick on top of Granlund to soften the blow but I think it's doable since he's doing so well and can fill in as a center and playoff caliber teams are pretty consistently looking for center depth. I would take a 2nd+something minor for Granlund if that was the best that was on the table but they should be able to offer something like Granlund and a 3rd for a playoff team's 1st round pick either this year or next year.

 

[biturbo19]

Sounds like the perfect type to lead a rebuilding team. He's valuable in all situations and helps take a load off the young guys. And he is a leader. I still would be very happy to keep him until Smith, Musty, etc. develop into useful players and push Granlund out.

Absolutely. I think there's a very strong argument to be made that Granlund is exactly the sort of guy that makes sense for a team in San Jose's situation. He can be exactly what they need him to be while the kids develop and sort out who is going to make it or not. Seems like a situation that's beneficial for him as well, in that it gives him opportunities to play minutes and take on a leadership role that he wouldn't otherwise get on a "contender".

Due to his poor reputation as a mid-season acquisition, i think there's a very strong chance it makes more sense for the Sharks to just sign him to an extension and keep him around for a while. The offers probably aren't going to be that strong and if the Sharks are that satisfied with what they're getting from him, why not just keep him?

He's only getting points because he plays first line minutes. If he was benched or healthy scratched he wouldn't get as many.

Fallacious stabs at reductio ad absurdum just kind of makes it seem like you're still not grasping what is being said about Granlund here.

Nobody is arguing anything like what you're saying tongue in cheek here.


The actual point being made, is that the level of drop-off in his play and production is greater than average, when moving from 1st line and PP1 minutes to 3rd line and significantly lesser PP2 minutes. Production modes are not linear and directly scalable as you seem to believe. Bulk production vs rate and modes matters contextually.

Some players players are very resilient in their production and will carry through at a fairly linear rate with reduced quality of minutes and opportunities, even though their bulk production will drop off accordingly. Other players have a pretty "hard cap" on their bulk production capability but fare better in their rate with inversely scaled quality of minutes. ie. guys like Brandon Sutter always was. Where he'd produce more or less the same bulk stats regardless of quality of minutes, which means a better rate of production when pushed down the lineup. Then you have guys like Granlund who are the opposite. He has a relatively high bulk production "ceiling" if you can afford to feed him primo minutes...but his performance is decidedly non-resilient when it comes to scaling minutes downward.

And at the end of the day...Granlund isn't a guy that a "contender" is going to want playing absolutely top minutes. So the context of his production matters, and makes him less "desirable" to contending teams than his bulk production in a better fitting situation like San Jose would otherwise superficially suggest.

 

[Gecklund]

I don't think anyone is going to be breaking down the doors to trade a 1st for Granlund, my brother.

He’d be the second leading scorer on PIT, my brother.

Guys almost always say that. It really doesn't mean much.

ah yes we should just completely ignore what guys say cause it doesn’t fit your argument.

I agree they won't be breaking down the doors but I think the Sharks can make it happen. They may have to add a draft pick on top of Granlund to soften the blow but I think it's doable since he's doing so well and can fill in as a center and playoff caliber teams are pretty consistently looking for center depth. I would take a 2nd+something minor for Granlund if that was the best that was on the table but they should be able to offer something like Granlund and a 3rd for a playoff team's 1st round pick either this year or next year.

That 2nd should have more than something minor coming back. Not anything huge but I’m thinking a Jack Thompson type prospect.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

That 2nd should have more than something minor coming back. Not anything huge but I’m thinking a Jack Thompson type prospect.

Basically, either an RHD prospect like Thompson or a 3rd rounder like what he was would be fine by me. I'd be happy with a 2nd and a 3rd for Granlund. I wouldn't prioritize any other position though.

 

[Grinner]

Basically, either an RHD prospect like Thompson or a 3rd rounder like what he was would be fine by me. I'd be happy with a 2nd and a 3rd for Granlund. I wouldn't prioritize any other position though.

Badinka and 3rd

 

[smakki]

I was just thinking center like Granlund with 5m contract would be nice for Colorado/Carolina, but don't know if they have anything to move other way... Kotkaniemi(?) Nikuschkin(?). I bet he likes to play in San Jose though, sunshine everyday and all, no pressure and he is a clear number 1 there.

Would be nice to see him in contender team.

 

[TotalHomer]

ah yes we should just completely ignore what guys say cause it doesn’t fit your argument.

Well you really should because guys talk out of their ass especially when they are about to be UFAs. Happens all the time.