Value of: Mika Zibanejad

Negative trade value. If Mika waives (he has a full no move) the Rangers will have to eat contracts coming back, retain a lot, add sugar, or some combination of all three. I just don’t see any contending club trading for Mika and I don’t see Mika waiving for a rebuilding or bad team.
 
Zibanejad still has a lot to offer and can still easily be a 60+ point player, who plays a primary role in all situations, but like Kreider and the other vets, they have lost their passion to play for this team.

Drury forcing Trouba and Goodrow out the door, two players who had a massive locker room presence and very close to the other vets players, kinda soured the entire aura and morale of the team.

Some players have checked out and will not give their all whilst Drury and Laviolette are still here. Zibanejad stills has value and can be a strong contributer for most teams.
That's bs as to Kreider, who has been injured almost whole yr and still scored 20Gs

zib is another story
He had his head up his ass and was unproductive all but 2-ish months this season; howev, he was nhl's top point getting most of that period



He's 32. Had a bad season (albeit better in the 2nd half as mentioned). Signed to $8.5 AAV for 5 more years. Has a NMC and doesn't want to leave NY.

In what world is he getting traded?
OP unrealistic
Howev, at full pop retain down to 4.25 per that is low enuf to be fully viable.
Even if he craps out last 1-2 yrs after 3 productive ones, can retain 1 final time to unload, which is not a given as to being necessary

as to not wanting to leave
correct
but Rs need to move
shesty
bread
at min
and that will be enuf for him to realize change is coming and he can't stop it

as to relocation hard to get one he likes but Zib loves his little girl more than anything, and ana or lak offer regular trips to Disneyland + interesting music scene

the underrated Schneider everybody wants
zib at half
Trocheck

for

Byfield + Helenius + Dvorak + acceptable cap dump

why Ks
yes Byfield is an important cog to replace Kopitar, but Kopi still has 2ish yrs in the tank
more critical is replacement for Doughty w/no D depth and Gav at risk of ufa exit

Rs
give up a good D + and take on big cap hit but get good return
 
I can’t imagine why but how about Zibanejad for Hartman as a base? I honestly don’t even know what a realistic return would include I just want him off the team.
Yeah sure I’d do it. I haven’t watch much rangers, but I can tell you Hartman hasn’t been great this year.
 
NY can't afford to lose a DJ like that

Untruer words have never been spoken.

He’s not bad, I just kinda assume NY is set on DJs.

And he’s just gotta go be 2C somewhere. Weird that he doesn’t wanna leave NY, differing tastes- but he’s supposedly sensitive to media, so wtf are we doing here?
 
Yes I would see the same thing for Vancouver. The benefit if it works is you get that legit 2nd line center everyone seems to be looking for at a dirt cheap price. The downside is if he turns into a pumpkin, highly concerning as while I don't know specifically what that was about he's already shown signs the first half of the season, for young emerging teams trying and ready to take the next step that's just going to kill your competitiveness before it can start.

The OG proposal your responding to, was offering to PAY a former 1st rounder and a future 2nd round pick for Mika Zibanejad buddy. Thats how asset screwed the Canucks are.

Once we get outbid on all the better players you best believe we're gonna circle back to the Mika Zibanejad bargain bin.

Other teams can afford to pay to aquire Mika Zibanejad. If I post Mika Zibanejad on the Canucks board we're asking how many 1sts come WITH him, still retained %33.
 
I'd trade Huberdeau for him. Not that Huberdeau is bad. He has reinvented himself to become a power forward.

My approach is more along the lines of trading from a position of relative strength for the Flames (wing) to shore up a position of relative weakness (centre).

The difference in salaries can be resolved if it is an issue.
I don't think this really makes any sense for NYR. They're both similar age and put up similar points. Zibanejad is a little cheaper and has 1 year less. Both are pretty much buy-out proof with a trade clause. If NYR could afford moving a Center out they would probably just push Zibanejad permanently to wing and have another center fill that role - which they tried to do but we don't have the center depth for that.
 
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The OG proposal your responding to, was offering to PAY a former 1st rounder and a future 2nd round pick for Mika Zibanejad buddy. Thats how asset screwed the Canucks are.

Once we get outbid on all the better players you best believe we're gonna circle back to the Mika Zibanejad bargain bin.

Other teams can afford to pay to aquire Mika Zibanejad. If I post Mika Zibanejad on the Canucks board we're asking how many 1sts come WITH him, still retained %33.
How many 1sts came with Trouba? Goodrow? There's your answer.
 
That’s what I thought too. I guess the Rangers could just not play him and use that as pressure. Not too sure the message sent to the other players though when other guys are pressured like that.
I highly doubt they would do that. As mentioned previously he's been decent at RW with JT Miller. I think they are better off keeping him instead of retaining money for 5 years for a meager return. They need to focus on moving Kreider and K'Andre Miller IMO.
 
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You have to admit the situation is very different. Zibanejad is paid almost $10M for five more full seasons. Goodrow is under contract for two more seasons and can easily be waived or buried on the 4th line without being a long-term cap commitment. Trouba only has one more season on his contract.

Acquiring Goodrow or Trouba is a short-term depth move. Acquiring Zibanejad is a long-term commitment to him in your top-6. Very, very different.
And scott gomez?
 
He's 32. Had a bad season (albeit better in the 2nd half as mentioned). Signed to $8.5 AAV for 5 more years. Has a NMC and doesn't want to leave NY.

In what world is he getting traded?
The world where Chris Drury finds ways around clauses. Has done it twice in the last year with Goodrow and Trouba.

And the fact he had a bad year is even more reason he'd be traded. It's clear the Rangers want him gone. They will tell him they want to trade him (in some type of way). The only way he stays is he refuses all the attempts by Drury.
 
Yeah sure I’d do it. I haven’t watch much rangers, but I can tell you Hartman hasn’t been great this year.
Mika has been very not great this year. You wouldn't want him. He's totally checked out, and his first half of the season he was probably the absolute worst player in the NHL. Cannot play center anymore. Gets absolutely destroyed head to head by any top 6 center, let alone someone very good. He's a winger who needs a play driver and he's crazy overpaid and very neurotic and bad at even strength.
 
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The world where Chris Drury finds ways around clauses. Has done it twice in the last year with Goodrow and Trouba.

And the fact he had a bad year is even more reason he'd be traded. It's clear the Rangers want him gone. They will tell him they want to trade him (in some type of way). The only way he stays is he refuses all the attempts by Drury.
Listen I was as shocked as anyone that Drury was able to move Goodrow and Trouba but those guys had 15 team NTC’s. Mika has a NMC in nail the 29-30 season where it turns into a 7 team list. Thats a completely different situation. If he can get out of that he should get a job performing at one of the casinos in vegas
 
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Mika has been very not great this year. You wouldn't want him. He's totally checked out, and his first half of the season he was probably the absolute worst player in the NHL. Cannot play center anymore. Gets absolutely destroyed head to head by any top 6 center, let alone someone very good. He's a winger who needs a play driver and he's crazy overpaid and very neurotic and bad at even strength.
That sounds less appealing than I had hoped
 
The Trouba deal shows that unmovable contracts are movable and that Drury would rather get nothing back than add/retain to make a hockey trade. So the question of “value of” becomes irrelevant. If Zibanejad is moved Drury will do everything he can to retain nothing or as little as possible and attach no other assets. The Trouba trade being the exact model. Trouba had 8 points after the trade and he has a similar cap hit. Zibanejad is still a 30 goal 60-70 point player. I don’t think the Rangers will get anything of substance back - similar to the Vaakanainen + 4th, but maybe someone who has a 3M cap hit instead of a depth D, and that will be that. Best options are extremely young rosters with cap space who can benefit from a veteran who can take some minutes off of youth. Usual suspects like Anaheim, SJ, Chicago, etc. Does Drury get him to waive, do any of those teams have an interest? If so, what’s basically an asset neutral exchange that makes the cap work. That’s the only type of deal that happens featuring Zibanejad. It’s essentially who could we convince him to waive for that will take him if we give him to them “for free” and then whatever is coming back is just the bodies/numbers that make it work.
 
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It's 2 years in a row where his shots have dropped and his shooting percentage has dropped. Everybody is talking about a big bounce back, but we should be talking about whether Zibanejad can just maintain his current production/play and not have more of a drop-off. 5 years is tough to swallow for a team when the hope is he just doesn't get worse at a quick rate. I do agree that he probably shouldn't be a center anymore. Too much skating for him.
 
The Trouba deal shows that unmovable contracts are movable and that Drury would rather get nothing back than add/retain to make a hockey trade.

trouba had 1+ yrs left, zibs at the same timne had 5+ yrs. Big big fifference.


So the question of “value of” becomes irrelevant. If Zibanejad is moved Drury will do everything he can to retain nothing or as little as possible and attach no other assets. The Trouba trade being the exact model. Trouba had 8 points after the trade and he has a similar cap hit. Zibanejad is still a 30 goal 60-70 point player. I don’t think the Rangers will get anything of substance back - similar to the Vaakanainen + 4th, but maybe someone who has a 3M cap hit instead of a depth D, and that will be that. Best options are extremely young rosters with cap space who can benefit from a veteran who can take some minutes off of youth. Usual suspects like Anaheim, SJ, Chicago, etc. Does Drury get him to waive, do any of those teams have an interest? If so, what’s basically an asset neutral exchange that makes the cap work. That’s the only type of deal that happens featuring Zibanejad. It’s essentially who could we convince him to waive for that will take him if we give him to them “for free” and then whatever is coming back is just the bodies/numbers that make it work.
See above. You will need to add multiple picks to unload him
 

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