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Value of: Mika Zibanejad

BleedBlue14 said:
Hard to address something like that internally especially if Montreal wants to take advantage of the ELC years for Demidov/Hutson.

Can see them wanting to push being competitive pretty quickly.
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I doubt that's the plan, we're talking about options way down the list. We're specifically talking about Zibanejad and what that trade might look like, not saying that status quo is better than signing someone like Duchene or Tavares to big money short term contracts or trading for a mid-20s C.

And teams don't really build around ELC contracts nowadays. It can be a boost, but if that was really a concern then Montreal wouldn't have been so eager to burn the first year off of Hutson's ELC last season and burn the first season off of Demidov's ELC now. The pre-UFA eligiblity years (and 2nd long term contracts) seem to be where the value is nowadays. And who knows, Montreal may want to play Demidov at center long term.

Its not a no to Zibanejad at any cost, it has to fit what Montreal wants to do. Pushing to be competitive pretty quickly can backfire pretty spectacularly, and whether the moves have worked or not, Montreal's front office have been pretty deliberate in not overextending themselves.
 
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TheNewEra said:
which is why i suggested stamkos or at least something around stamkos

stamkos 3 years left, 8 million cap hit
zibanejad 5 years left. 8.5 million cap hit

stamkos 35 years old, 51 points in 78 games
zibanejad 31 years old, 56 points in 78 games

both teams get there shakeup, both players are coming off down years, rangers shave a bit off their cap, predators get younger and im sure there are a lot of places for zibby to dj in nashville
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3 Vs 5 is still dead weight
 
I started a thread a little over a month ago. As 99% of HF proposals, not well received but I still think it makes sense for both teams.

Habs
Mika Zibanejad (33% retained, 5.7M cap hit)

Rangers
2nd 2025
Filip Mesar

Why the Rangers do it:

  • Already acquired Miller as a 1C (+ Trocheck as 2C now)
  • Heavy contract for Rangers in his current role
  • Free 5.7M on their cap (will retain 3M). Can weaponize this for UFA targets as NY has no challenge to attract players
  • Recoup some assets for a barebone prospect pool
Why Habs do it

  • Get a 31yo 2C locked at 5.7M (fits Habs salary structure) until Michael Hage is ready (if he ever is)
  • Add Veteran to lineup
  • He has played in Canada, so he might be open to drop his NMC.
  • Keep momentum for the playoffs race. Move for now and mid term future.
Is it an interesting foundation for a deal?
 
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HabsTown said:
I started a thread a little over a month ago. As 99% of HF proposals, not well received but I still think it makes sense for both teams.

Habs
Mika Zibanejad (33% retained, 5.7M cap hit)

Rangers
2nd 2025
Filip Mesar

Why the Rangers do it:

  • Already acquired Miller as a 1C (+ Trocheck as 2C now)
  • Heavy contract for Rangers in his current role
  • Free 5.7M on their cap (will retain 3M). Can weaponize this for UFA targets as NY has no challenge to attract players
  • Recoup some assets for a barebone prospect pool
Why Habs do it

  • Get a 31yo 2C locked at 5.7M (fits Habs salary structure) until Michael Hage is ready (if he ever is)
  • Add Veteran to lineup
  • He has played in Canada, so he might be open to drop his NMC.
  • Keep momentum for the playoffs race. Move for now and mid term future.
Is it an interesting foundation for a deal?
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I think it’s fine but with less retention. Not sure the Rangers would eat that much for 5 years.
 
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Captain Mountain said:
I doubt that's the plan, we're talking about options way down the list. We're specifically talking about Zibanejad and what that trade might look like, not saying that status quo is better than signing someone like Duchene or Tavares to big money short term contracts or trading for a mid-20s C.

And teams don't really build around ELC contracts nowadays. It can be a boost, but if that was really a concern then Montreal wouldn't have been so eager to burn the first year off of Hutson's ELC last season and burn the first season off of Demidov's ELC now. The pre-UFA eligiblity years (and 2nd long term contracts) seem to be where the value is nowadays. And who knows, Montreal may want to play Demidov at center long term.

Its not a no to Zibanejad at any cost, it has to fit what Montreal wants to do. Pushing to be competitive pretty quickly can backfire pretty spectacularly, and whether the moves have worked or not, Montreal's front office have been pretty deliberate in not overextending themselves.
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I don’t really disagree with anything you’re saying. But in terms of Demidov/Hutson. A lot of times teams do that to try and expedite the time frame that a prospect playing in the KHL or NCAA takes until coming over. Obviously the team would prefer not to do that. And you don’t necessarily build around ELCs. But having that cap relief allows for a short term guy to be added at the deadline in a much less important role. Now there’s also a question of how ready is Demidov to jump into the top 6 and you probably won’t know a full answer to that until about 20 games into next season.
 
DanielBrassard said:
I think it’s fine but with less retention. Not sure the Rangers would eat that much for 5 years.
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I think the Rangers can retain that much, it would just require more coming back. There is a market rate for salary retention. E.g. 4th for TDL retention. Higher for a full season. Even more for 5 years, but there is the balancing element of how badly Drury wants to send Ziba out, how badly someone like Gorton is lobbying to get Ziba, and who is playing the bigger game of chicken between GMs to get the better of the deal so the range of retention costs can be pretty wide.
 
Buyout. Doubt he waives his NMC for anywhere else.

Although now I see it's all bonus money, so you may be stuck with him.
 
I feel the players are not big fans of Drury. Even players who got traded to the team are not big fans of him rightfully so. It started way before Goodrow and Trouba and what he has handled or mishandled players.
 
I'd trade Huberdeau for him. Not that Huberdeau is bad. He has reinvented himself to become a power forward.

My approach is more along the lines of trading from a position of relative strength for the Flames (wing) to shore up a position of relative weakness (centre).

The difference in salaries can be resolved if it is an issue.
 
vokiel said:
Well real life stuff is Mika remains with the Rangers imho.
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Just as gomez was untradeable, goodrow and trouba couldnt possibly be moved. Despite example after example occurring of guys getting moved and people just saying, “omg so dumb fire him immediately”. Just recognize reality
 
Hockeyplayer99 said:
I feel the players are not big fans of Drury. Even players who got traded to the team are not big fans of him rightfully so. It started way before Goodrow and Trouba and what he has handled or mishandled players.
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How does tampa feel about their gm for what he did to mcdonagh and stamkos?
 
LaffyTaffy13 said:
Just as gomez was untradeable, goodrow and trouba couldnt possibly be moved. Despite example after example occurring of guys getting moved and people just saying, “omg so dumb fire him immediately”. Just recognize reality
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You have to admit the situation is very different. Zibanejad is paid almost $10M for five more full seasons. Goodrow is under contract for two more seasons and can easily be waived or buried on the 4th line without being a long-term cap commitment. Trouba only has one more season on his contract.

Acquiring Goodrow or Trouba is a short-term depth move. Acquiring Zibanejad is a long-term commitment to him in your top-6. Very, very different.
 
LaffyTaffy13 said:
Just as gomez was untradeable, goodrow and trouba couldnt possibly be moved. Despite example after example occurring of guys getting moved and people just saying, “omg so dumb fire him immediately”. Just recognize reality
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Did they have NMCs? The context isn't the same. Anyhow, I think fans of other clubs would have more interest in Trocheck than Zib. If Zib is back to a reasonable level of effort, I think Rags would do better to keep him for now and see if they can get some goal scoring for Trocheck. Like Knies in Toronto.. Might make some sense?
 
The funny thing with Zibanejad is that he is absolutely fine as a Right Wing. I don't even think the Rangers desperately need to move him anymore; but he CANNOT be a center next season. I would be perfectly happy with Zibanejad on the wing next season; but of course the Rangers (like everyone else in the league) are going to need another center this offseason
 
Junohockeyfan said:
It doesn't make any sense. In fact, Zibby's contract and high risk of continued decline could stop Montreal from seriously competing due to cap constraints.

It would be idiotic and unnecessary for the Habs to gamble on Zib.
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Yes I would see the same thing for Vancouver. The benefit if it works is you get that legit 2nd line center everyone seems to be looking for at a dirt cheap price. The downside is if he turns into a pumpkin, highly concerning as while I don't know specifically what that was about he's already shown signs the first half of the season, for young emerging teams trying and ready to take the next step that's just going to kill your competitiveness before it can start.

Now who knows what actual NHL GM's will do/think, but from my armchair perspective Zibanajed makes more sense for a team with a long way to go still like Chicago or a veteran team trying to cling to one last bit of relevancy like Nashville, that are looking at a time frame where an unproductive Zibanajed contract doesn't really effect them.
 
I wouldn't claim him off waivers. Guy was useless most of the season until the Rags were gifted one of the best forwards in the league, and only after getting paired with him does Zib look serviceable. There shouldn't be many GMs dumb enough to fall for that
 
RandV said:
Yes I would see the same thing for Vancouver. The benefit if it works is you get that legit 2nd line center everyone seems to be looking for at a dirt cheap price. The downside is if he turns into a pumpkin, highly concerning as while I don't know specifically what that was about he's already shown signs the first half of the season, for young emerging teams trying and ready to take the next step that's just going to kill your competitiveness before it can start.

Now who knows what actual NHL GM's will do/think, but from my armchair perspective Zibanajed makes more sense for a team with a long way to go still like Chicago or a veteran team trying to cling to one last bit of relevancy like Nashville, that are looking at a time frame where an unproductive Zibanajed contract doesn't really effect them.
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This would be the test case for a different retention formula

For the sake of math, let's say his cap od $10M for the next 5 yrs. A team acquires him at 50%. Instead it being $5M each year it's instead to thr acquiring team it's
8,6.5,5,3.5 ,2
 
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