Value of: Mika Zibanejad

[unicornpig]

ana not a fit to them or zib

EDIT ADD: Not sure peeps got this first time:
Leafs -> Matthews = incentive for Zib to waive
or
Kings -> replaces Kopitar soon [Byfield to nyr] = incentive for Zib to waive

both deals Shesty goes

some things never change. still making delusional trades.....

 

[bernmeister]

some things never change. still making delusional trades.....

not at all delusional
Shesty is key component both instances
he is an elite G, possibly league's best

TOR = a fit b'c they can't keep rolling the same lineup + come up short

LAK = published report [via Yardbarker] they will go hard for him
they won't want to cough up By guy, but to get him now, with extension they would be permitted to make before deal, will cost Byfield

instead of taking a pot shot, why not substantiate your allegations?
you remind me when Nils L went to DAL for a 1st, and most said no, no, while I said yes
they were wrong
which made me ....

not delusional

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Flames please.

 

[Petes2424]

If he’s forced out, it’s gonna happen next summer, and he’s gonna pick where he goes. Which will 100% effect his value.

You just don’t get to trade NMC players with 5 years left on $8.5 million contracts post 30, without taking a hit on their value. Especially when the team he’ll want to go to, knows they almost have to trade him there.

The 5 years left would hurt them the most, so really can’t see him being their cap victim.

Trouba will be one, they probably won’t re-sign Lindgren unless they have a plan to trade a 2nd Dman, and they won’t qualify Kakko if he’s not traded. If there’s another victim it’ll likely be Trocheck as his NMC changes on July 1 to an NTC.

They put that in his contract because they knew, they were gonna have some issues in the summer of 2025. In fact Kakko not blowing up into a star, has actually allowed them to get to 2025 without having to make a big cut yet.

Don’t be surprised btw with Trouba, if they trade him AND pay a sweetener for the other team to buy him out. It’ll open up the amount of teams who will take the year of his deal and save the Rangers money If they can find someone just to take the $8 million, even better, but he’ll still want a say in where he goes with his NTC. If Trouba knows he’s gonna be bought out though, he won’t care where he goes, then he can sign with the Devils or Isles for cheap if he wants to remain in the area.

Obviously the Rangers would rather trade him to a team that won’t buy him out, but it’s still gonna be interesting to see how it all ends for him with the Rangers after this season, but it’s ending.

 

[bernmeister]

If he’s forced out, it’s gonna happen next summer, and he’s gonna pick where he goes. Which will 100% effect his value.

You just don’t get to trade NMC players with 5 years left on $8.5 million contracts post 30, without taking a hit on their value. Especially when the team he’ll want to go to, knows they almost have to trade him there.

The 5 years left would hurt them the most, so really can’t see him being their cap victim.

Trouba will be one, they probably won’t re-sign Lindgren unless they have a plan to trade a 2nd Dman, and they won’t qualify Kakko if he’s not traded. If there’s another victim it’ll likely be Trocheck as his NMC changes on July 1 to an NTC.

They put that in his contract because they knew, they were gonna have some issues in the summer of 2025. In fact Kakko not blowing up into a star, has actually allowed them to get to 2025 without having to make a big cut yet.

Don’t be surprised btw with Trouba, if they trade him AND pay a sweetener for the other team to buy him out. It’ll open up the amount of teams who will take the year of his deal and save the Rangers money If they can find someone just to take the $8 million, even better, but he’ll still want a say in where he goes with his NTC. If Trouba knows he’s gonna be bought out though, he won’t care where he goes, then he can sign with the Devils or Isles for cheap if he wants to remain in the area.

Obviously the Rangers would rather trade him to a team that won’t buy him out, but it’s still gonna be interesting to see how it all ends for him with the Rangers after this season, but it’s ending.

coupla dings

1. zib does NOT = pld = useless in LA
he simply is too inconsistent w/Kreider, who we are keeping, to justify 1st line and mid 6 are crushing it, + 8.5 for 4C is ng. But being inconsistent does not = not productive at all = no value or neg value.
has he become overpriced? yes
Is poster's advisory re cap retention fair/reasonable? yes, dep on what else is in the deal/coming back.

2. Trouba is effective 3RD ecept as to skating, but he is not a boat anchor either
supposedly 20-ish teams were interested before JT + wife put kabosh on deal while she finishes work commitments.
May or may not require eating up to 1.5m cap hit for next season. That's about it.
This is not a guy in mid 30s, wheels are falling off, gonna have to be bought out

3. You are wrong on Kakko
Even if he is not amassing points up the wazu, he is very productive component on his line, which chips in ok for now and getting better while not lots of scoring vs
Also, for umpteenth time
bread is not sniffing 11.6+ again after next season
we have Gabe P, but he is targeted for 1RW
we have Othmann who may/may not be ready sooner than later
KK is needed and I am guessing we can lock him up reasonable 3.75-4.25 per x 6-8 ish
that is totally doable/affordable
esp after we ditch lindgren, vesey + trouba

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

He seems like he's lazy at times, but what is it about him that a lot of Ranger fans seem.. uneasy ? Don't view him as a player that has, or should have a future with the Rangers?

He plays with no energy or urgency. Like of course he’s talented, but he doesn’t apply it anymore. Leads to a dude who is simply not a very good hockey player anymore. Picks up some points on the PP (where he isn’t even that good anymore), but he severely underwhelms at even strength and drags down his linemates to his energy levels.

If he’s forced out, it’s gonna happen next summer, and he’s gonna pick where he goes. Which will 100% effect his value.

You just don’t get to trade NMC players with 5 years left on $8.5 million contracts post 30, without taking a hit on their value. Especially when the team he’ll want to go to, knows they almost have to trade him there.

The 5 years left would hurt them the most, so really can’t see him being their cap victim.

Trouba will be one, they probably won’t re-sign Lindgren unless they have a plan to trade a 2nd Dman, and they won’t qualify Kakko if he’s not traded. If there’s another victim it’ll likely be Trocheck as his NMC changes on July 1 to an NTC.

They put that in his contract because they knew, they were gonna have some issues in the summer of 2025. In fact Kakko not blowing up into a star, has actually allowed them to get to 2025 without having to make a big cut yet.

Don’t be surprised btw with Trouba, if they trade him AND pay a sweetener for the other team to buy him out. It’ll open up the amount of teams who will take the year of his deal and save the Rangers money If they can find someone just to take the $8 million, even better, but he’ll still want a say in where he goes with his NTC. If Trouba knows he’s gonna be bought out though, he won’t care where he goes, then he can sign with the Devils or Isles for cheap if he wants to remain in the area.

Obviously the Rangers would rather trade him to a team that won’t buy him out, but it’s still gonna be interesting to see how it all ends for him with the Rangers after this season, but it’s ending.

We won’t struggle to move Trouba. He’ll have one year left on his deal and he’s actually playing well this year. And teams would take him anyway if he wasn’t. Look how much they value players like Edmundson, Savard, Ceci, Kulak, and none of them has ever played at the level Trouba can and has shown in the past.

 

[Savant]

He seems like he's lazy at times, but what is it about him that a lot of Ranger fans seem.. uneasy ? Don't view him as a player that has, or should have a future with the Rangers?

He’s not as bad as people are saying. His contract isn’t ideal and the Rangers have a lot of other people that they need to pay, but he’s still no worse than a 2C on most of the teams in this league. Rangers would be glad to keep if they had more cap flexibility. But he’s also very like to use NMC so it’s a weird one.

 

[bernmeister]

He has an NMC, and you think Anaheim makes sense? Why? He'd have more clubs ahead of them, I'd think.

pivot is a position of deep strength for ducks

 

[DavidBL]

What would Ranger fans realistically want for him? Who's going to play center for them?

 

[bernmeister]

What would Ranger fans realistically want for him? Who's going to play center for them?

1 quality youth
2 depends on multiple variables

from which team, btw?

 

[DavidBL]

1 quality youth
2 depends on multiple variables

from which team, btw?

Anaheim actually

 

[FSL KINGS]

not at all delusional
Shesty is key component both instances
he is an elite G, possibly league's best

TOR = a fit b'c they can't keep rolling the same lineup + come up short

LAK = published report [via Yardbarker] they will go hard for him
they won't want to cough up By guy, but to get him now, with extension they would be permitted to make before deal, will cost Byfield

instead of taking a pot shot, why not substantiate your allegations?
you remind me when Nils L went to DAL for a 1st, and most said no, no, while I said yes
they were wrong
which made me ....

not delusional

Shesty rumored 12.5-13 AAV X 5 years. No one crazy enough to pay 13 AAV when all the other top goalie is are under 10 AAV.

GMRB is crazy enough to throw 13 at Shesty as a UFA. Not wanting 8 years, means no home town advantage to NYR in free agency.

 

[FoxyClean]

Mika does not have much value at this point and will not waive since he's recently married and has a young child in a newly bought apartment across the river from Manhattan.

 

[f7ben]

Minnesota could take him if we can send some smaller salary the other way.

Is this the “we really don’t want to send Kap to the rangers so we’ll bring the rangers to Kap” strategy??? I think it’s brilliant!!!

 

[Weltschmerz]

Imagine if the rangers traded for Eichel instead of committing long term to this guy.

 

[Kocur Dill]

He has an NMC, and you think Anaheim makes sense? Why? He'd have more clubs ahead of them, I'd think.

Hockey clubs maybe. Party clubs tho?

I think he has negative value at this point.

He puts up alot of points for only $8.5 per.

He may shy away from the dirty areas more than he use to before the concussion and having children, but he's still a spot shooter, makes plays for others, and is good at face offs.

Some GM with a young team or on the bubble would definitely value his skills and contract as a vet presence.

He's valuable in certain situations and the length of the deal isn't terrible for a team that budgets themselves properly. He just isn't a fit for us anymore.

If we could get a center similar to Trochek plus a pick/prospect, I think that's a win.

Although the addition of Smith to the Kreider/Zibba bromance has sparked some interesting hockey lately.

Flames please.

I'd ask for Kadri or Weager back, but I'm not sure Calgary is a place where he'd waive his clause.

 

[Kocur Dill]

What would Ranger fans realistically want for him? Who's going to play center for them?

It's a gamble. Chytil, if healthy can be our 2c. Easily.

Ideally, I'd look for a hockey trade where we take back slightly less ppg center for a 3 zone guy, younger, with willingness to play with a chip on his shoulder. Balance out the deal with picks/prospects.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Hockey clubs maybe. Party clubs tho?


He puts up alot of points for only $8.5 per.

He may shy away from the dirty areas more than he use to before the concussion and having children, but he's still a spot shooter, makes plays for others, and is good at face offs.

Some GM with a young team or on the bubble would definitely value his skills and contract as a vet presence.

He's valuable in certain situations and the length of the deal isn't terrible for a team that budgets themselves properly. He just isn't a fit for us anymore.

If we could get a center similar to Trochek plus a pick/prospect, I think that's a win.

Although the addition of Smith to the Kreider/Zibba bromance has sparked some interesting hockey lately.



I'd ask for Kadri or Weager back, but I'm not sure Calgary is a place where he'd waive his clause.

Kadri, I'll fly to Calgary and then drive him to the airport.

 

[bernmeister]

Anaheim actually

I would be open to your suggestion as to a fit.
Since ANA is very solid down the middle w/youth, I don't see them having interest in Zib unless he were cheap and a quality F add, giving pivot depth, but not nec a C, and instead usually a RW given he is a righty shot.

Like I said, w/TOR he has chance to play w/Matthews, and
w/LA, he is positioned to succeed Kopitar

not seeing why he would waive to ANA, which kudos, imo has largely turned the corner over last coupla seasons

 

[bernmeister]

Imagine if the rangers traded for Eichel instead of committing long term to this guy.

pro w/Eichel, not even considering what was demanded, was legitimate risk of medical procedure JE justifiably wanted, and that the return to BUF was not conditional.
IF IF IF Eich situation goes bad, you have no functional JE and you surrendered assets for the privilege

I am not shy about criticizing Rs mgmt, but here it was a risk mgmt situation

 

[Savant]

pro w/Eichel, not even considering what was demanded, was legitimate risk of medical procedure JE justifiably wanted, and that the return to BUF was not conditional.
IF IF IF Eich situation goes bad, you have no functional JE and you surrendered assets for the privilege

I am not shy about criticizing Rs mgmt, but here it was a risk mgmt situation

Also Buffalo's owner refused to send him to the Rangers

 

[Weltschmerz]

pro w/Eichel, not even considering what was demanded, was legitimate risk of medical procedure JE justifiably wanted, and that the return to BUF was not conditional.
IF IF IF Eich situation goes bad, you have no functional JE and you surrendered assets for the privilege

I am not shy about criticizing Rs mgmt, but here it was a risk mgmt situation

Nothing is without risk, like signing Zib to a big contract up to age 36.

 

[bernmeister]

Nothing is without risk, like signing Zib to a big contract up to age 36.

agree
but zib to mid 30s is kinda normal, standard risk

Eichel's neck, etc, shutting him down weeks after you acquire is a whole different level of risk

 

[My3Sons]

Mika does not have much value at this point and will not waive since he's recently married and has a young child in a newly bought apartment across the river from Manhattan.

Which river?

 

[Savant]

What would Ranger fans realistically want for him? Who's going to play center for them?

Cap space/futures

Whatever center comes back in a deal. Not expecting a 1C obviously but would think they’d want a middle six caliber C making less money back.

Rangers want the cap space though