Michkov to be healthy scratched tonight

[nbwingsfan]

He’s been pretty brutal 5v5 lately but still… you don’t bench a guy like that

 

[SoundAndFury]

That's the funny part. Since the Flyers somehow won one of their ~35 meaningless wins this season, Torts is thinking about how right he is and really has this shit figured out in his bed at night

 

[Albatros]

I wouldn't say that the Leafs have looked better without Matthews, win or lose.

 

[Evergreen]

I consider it a bit of a bellweather. The team knows the significance of Michkov. They absolutely checked the f*** out on Torts last year after he scratched Couturier—they damn near lost out.

So if they look like a completely disinterested, dejected pile of shit tonight, I think that'll be decent evidence he's lost them.

Well that might have been their best game of the season. What do we make of that?

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Didn't it happen to Leo Carlsson? Nobody gave a shit because it wasn't Tortorella doing it.

They had a plan for him with development and strength or whatever they called it. Not even remotely the same. Torts is a dipshit. He didn't want Michkov talking to a Russian player so he would communicate on his own, you know, in a language he's learning still now with no help or support.

Edit: Found the tweet.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1716924107705786509

 

[Rich Nixon]

Well that might have been their best game of the season. What do we make of that?

It really was, closest they looked to last year so far in this one. I think everyone else on the team got quite a message out of that. Helped that they got a solid performance out of Fedotov.

 

[Lucas Hood]

Its crazy how much of a rep Torts maintains as some tough but loving capable disciplinarian coach despite having won f*** all since the lockout and clearly being a stubborn prissy idiot when it comes to most aspects of coaching. His only coaching trick is to have his team start playing like their lives depend on it early in the season while the rest of the league is still warming up so his teams die halfway through. Its like thinking a jockey that starts whipping his horse out of the gate is brilliant because his horse leads the race a quarter of the way through before it collapses. Weird how all the "winning culture" he allegedly built in Columbus evaporated the day he left.

The best thing to happen to the Caps in the past 20 years was drafting Ovechkin, the second best was having Torts coach our division rivals for most of them

 

[Ole Gil]

Pretty standard Torts treatment. He said he would be scratched at times before the season even started. He feels it gives young players a chance at a difference perspective. Dude scratched Konecny last season while he was their leading scorer and Couturier a week after making him captain. He's a weirdo.

And they missed the playoffs by 4 points.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Not sure if this thread is full of people who can't handle tough love at all and get upset as soon as someone yells at them, they just hate Torts, or both, but the amount of people getting upset at this is kinda funny.

If he sits out the next game the flyers play, then you might have a reason to be pissed at him

 

[majormajor]

This is probably just the case that Michkov is not physically ready to play an 82 game schedule. Entirely unsurprising for such a young player with his build. I suspect we'll get to see more of the magical version of Michkov the fewer games he plays this year. I don't think we should have threads on it every time he gets scratched.

Nor does this have to be a whole conversation about Torts every time.

Its crazy how much of a rep Torts maintains as some tough but loving capable disciplinarian coach despite having won f*** all since the lockout and clearly being a stubborn prissy idiot when it comes to most aspects of coaching. His only coaching trick is to have his team start playing like their lives depend on it early in the season while the rest of the league is still warming up so his teams die halfway through. Its like thinking a jockey that starts whipping his horse out of the gate is brilliant because his horse leads the race a quarter of the way through before it collapses. Weird how all the "winning culture" he allegedly built in Columbus evaporated the day he left.

Weird then that he's had such long tenures in Tampa, New York, and Columbus, and that he's loved across the board in Columbus (by staff, players, fans) and had four successful seasons in his six years there. And weird that you hold it against him that the team got bad again after he left.

The best thing to happen to the Caps in the past 20 years was drafting Ovechkin, the second best was having Torts coach our division rivals for most of them

You think the Jackets would have been a tougher playoff out with a different coach? They took two games of the Caps the year the Caps won the cup, you think a different coach takes four?

And Tortorella's Rangers eliminated your Caps in 2012 and 2013. Maybe you're still bitter about that.

 

[SoundAndFury]

High time to bump since he is sitting out 2nd game in a row. Like I said, they won last game, so who needs him. Torts got it, he knows what he's doing. Right?

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

High time to bump since he is sitting out 2nd game in a row. Like I said, they won last game, so who needs him. Torts got it, he knows what he's doing. Right?

Alright this is reason to be upset.

 

[CanadienShark]

It seems like the NHL is trending towards healthy scratching NHL players more often. It's bizarre.

 

[ryan callahan]

It seems like the NHL is trending towards healthy scratching NHL players more often. It's bizarre.

Michkov is not a viable NHL player at 5v5 at the moment. They didn't pick him at 7 for him to become a PP specialist.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

Michkov is not a viable NHL player at 5v5 at the moment. They didn't pick him at 7 for him to become a PP specialist.

Tbh the Flyers as a team aren’t very good offensively 5v5

 

[Lucas Hood]

This is probably just the case that Michkov is not physically ready to play an 82 game schedule. Entirely unsurprising for such a young player with his build. I suspect we'll get to see more of the magical version of Michkov the fewer games he plays this year. I don't think we should have threads on it every time he gets scratched.

For sure, I remember all the times Bedard was consecutively scratched last year after winning Rookie of the Month because his coach was a power dynamics obsessed drama queen who did that kind of shit to players like Frost and Couturier in years past and alienated his team and fanbase because of it

Weird then that he's had such long tenures in Tampa, New York, and Columbus, and that he's loved across the board in Columbus (by staff, players, fans) and had four successful seasons in his six years there. And weird that you hold it against him that the team got bad again after he left.

Yeah, he was great in Tampa back when the Two Line Pass was a thing, wonder why he left. As for Columbus, he was brought to teach them how to be a good gritty winning team with the right culture and develop players. All of that seem to have evaporated the moment he left (even before that) and every player that managed to "develop" under him except Werenski beelined out of there and they had to restart from square one. Given Columbus's history with coaching and management and them thinking bringing Mike Babcock back into the NHL fold was a good idea the fact they bought his performative tuff luv antics hook line and sinker and think he's the best thing that happened to them isn't all that far fetched, nor is it exactly a screaming endorsement. Though it seems they somehow stumbled onto a genuinely good coach in Evason finally.

You think the Jackets would have been a tougher playoff out with a different coach? They took two games of the Caps the year the Caps won the cup, you think a different coach takes four?

And Tortorella's Rangers eliminated your Caps in 2012 and 2013. Maybe you're still bitter about that.

The Caps eliminated the Caps by having Dale Hunter and Adam Oates as coaches during their post Boudreau organizational BPD era when George McPhee was vibing all over the place, trading Filip Forsberg for Martin Erat, and thinking Mike Green was such a good #1 defenseman that they could get by with rookies and #4s filling out the rest of the D. Those Ranger teams immediately got spanked in the following rounds because apparently the hangover from riding 3 lines and 2 pairings and playing the first rounds as if they're game 7 of the Stanley Cup Finals hits you so hard that even Henrik Lundqvist in his prime can only do so much. After he left Alain Vigneault immediately took the Rangers to the finals because as inept as he was he still could figure that part out.

Torts' Columbus did make for the perfect warm up speedbump to get the Caps rolling 2018, hard enough to give them a sense of urgency but easy enough to keep avoid any injuries and fatigue

 

[dirtydanglez]

critical moment in his career right here. hopefully he sees this as lesson to be learned and buys in.

 

[Lucas Hood]

critical moment in his career right here. hopefully he sees this as lesson to be learned and buys in.

Hopefully Kevin Hayes doesn't text him anything

 

[zizbuka]

Not watching the game because they're not much fun to watch, with or without Michkov.

Wait, is Nicky Bricks playing? Hmmm........

 

[wetcoast]

Tbh the Flyers as a team aren’t very good offensively 5v5

Sure but Michov is tied for 10th on the team in ESP and doesn't bring anything other than scoring right now.

doesn't hit, doesn't block shots, takeaway to turnover ratio is 4-19 needs sheltered minutes.......

 

[majormajor]

For sure, I remember all the times Bedard was consecutively scratched last year after winning Rookie of the Month because his coach was a power dynamics obsessed drama queen who did that kind of shit to players like Frost and Couturier in years past and alienated his team and fanbase because of it

Bedard is a different player with better skating and a much better conditioned physique. Although you could also argue that he'd have played better as an 18 year old if he didn't have to play so many games. The learning outcomes are better with rest.

Thank you for pointing out the Bedard comparison though, it does show me why Michkov stans might be upset over the scratches, if they're obsessing over the Bedard comparison.

 

[Pablo El Perro]

Not watching the game because they're not much fun to watch, with or without Michkov.

Wait, is Nicky Bricks playing? Hmmm........

He got a shootout chance. Didn't notice him otherwise, so that's not bad.

 

[Lucas Hood]

Bedard is a different player with better skating and a much better conditioned physique. Although you could also argue that he'd have played better as an 18 year old if he didn't have to play so many games. The learning outcomes are better with rest.

Thank you for pointing out the Bedard comparison though, it does show me why Michkov stans might be upset over the scratches, if they're obsessing over the Bedard comparison.

Sigh. Bedard was getting caved in at ES moreso than Michkov despite his generational conditioning but was allowed to play and develop through it since his coach and organization understood that he was their team's franchise player. Michkov is getting scratched not because his play or development warrants it, as there are many other veteran players on Philly's roster playing worse and generating less and he is STILL the offensively starved Flyers's second leading scorer despite the scratches, but because Torts has a pathological need to do something like this every year to satisfy his power dynamic and attention whoring complexes. The simple fact is that given the way Michkov has played and produced this year, there is not a single other active coach in the NHL who would have benched him at this juncture. Though the guy who Columbus hired because of their Torts nostalgia and had to reluctantly fire for scrolling through Fantilli's dick pics a month later probably would.

Maybe once Torts gets fired after running Michkov out of town he can come back to a hero's welcome from his foaming stans in Columbus and teach Fantilli and Marchenko all the nuances of being reel gud pros that he's teaching Michkov and Morgan Frost.

 

[Rich Nixon]

Michkov is not a viable NHL player at 5v5 at the moment. They didn't pick him at 7 for him to become a PP specialist.

You haven't watched two damn Flyers games this year if you're saying shit like "Not a viable NHL player at 5v5."

 

[surixon]

There is a learning curve for every young player. It's not surprising Michkov has struggled a bit 5 on 5 in his first year in NA. Torts clearly has his idea on teaching but I'm not sure it's the best way these days. For a team not going anywhere this year you'd think they would be letting him play and working his way through the growing pains.