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why was Pyatt even signed, couldnt Haley does what he does whatever that is..:shakehead
 
NYRCSKA said:
Asham can hold his own against anyone. The dude has balls of iron. Clowe can also hold his own, i just don't like the idea of an Orr for Clowe tradeoff :help:
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In case you don't know Asham and Orr have met before back when Asham was a Flyer. It wasn't pretty as far as Asham was concerned. I have a lot of respect for Asham but he's not a heavyweight and anyone who thinks he is is out to lunch on the subject.

As fighters go--this generations Joe Kocur is Colton Orr. He's a smaller heavyweight but he punches as hard as anyone out there. Asham is a very good fighter who throws punches with real intent to hurt but he's even smaller than Orr and he doesn't hit near as hard. It works well on guys like Jay Beagle and he can hold his own against most fighters out there but not the elite guys.
 
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While Orr is a kitten?
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kocur's fists were lethal. he could literally break faces. orr is tough and willing but not as *scary* as kocur. kocur looked and fought like his water bottle was filled with pcp.

i can't think of too many on kocur's level. probert, chris simon, link gaetz...? orr is more like...nilan?
 
egelband said:
kocur's fists were lethal. he could literally break faces. orr is tough and willing but not as *scary* as kocur. kocur looked and fought like his water bottle was filled with pcp.
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How many faces did Kocur literally break? Orr broke at least one.
 
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While Orr is a kitten?
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Not saying that at all. But Kocur is a top-5 heavy weight. Remember what he was like when on Detroit?

Thinking on it now, Detroit has had it's share. Kocur. Probert. Grimson.
 
Didn't mean to say that Orr was a better fighter than Kocur. In Kocur's time there was a lot more fighting though. Orr compares to Kocur in the respect that he's the guy that punches the hardest in this particular time and he can really hurt people. Both Kocur and Probert were NHL qualtiy players--Probert was a very good player. Grimson not so much. Domi was a good player. There were fighters that were good then and some who were not. Brashear was a good player for a while. Mick Vukota-no. A Kocur--a Probert were scary as fighters and could handle most anyone but they weren't goons IMO because they could play. A Vukota, John Kordic, Troy Crowder, Scott Parker etc. etc. were examples of goons.

Anyway how I entered this was on whether Arron Asham is a serious deterrent to the real heavyweights like Orr, McIntrye, Parros, Scott--he's not.
 
eco's bones said:
Didn't mean to say that Orr was a better fighter than Kocur. In Kocur's time there was a lot more fighting though. Orr compares to Kocur in the respect that he's the guy that punches the hardest in this particular time and he can really hurt people. Both Kocur and Probert were NHL qualtiy players--Probert was a very good player. Grimson not so much. Domi was a good player. There were fighters that were good then and some who were not. Brashear was a good player for a while. Mick Vukota-no. A Kocur--a Probert were scary as fighters and could handle most anyone but they weren't goons IMO because they could play. A Vukota, John Kordic, Troy Crowder, Scott Parker etc. etc. were examples of goons.

Anyway how I entered this was on whether Arron Asham is a serious deterrent to the real heavyweights like Orr, McIntrye, Parros, Scott--he's not.
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Having one enforcer who plays <5m a night and maybe gets into a fight against the other team's designated goon/enforcer isn't a deterrent to any entire team when the rest of the Rangers who are on the ice for 90% of the game have trouble sticking up for themselves/each other on most nights. I'm pretty sure at this point, everyone in the East knows the Rangers can be more or less bullied all night long on any given night because we're so afraid of taking a retaliatory penalty. The whole team needs to play with a little more snarl. I'm not sure if, at 27, Haley is going to improve on his overall hockey game enough to warrant a spot on the Rangers. Hopefully McIlrath will eventually provide some of that extra attitude for the team.
 
I think Dorsett's eventual addition may push Pyatt out of the lineup if he doesn't improve -- he's been brutal.

It should also push Boyle to 4th line center where he belongs.
 
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