Injury Report: Micheal Ferland (Upper Body)

[raynman]

Holy hell, don't let bleed catch you saying that.

But on a serious note, I wonder what exactly precipitated a doctor's visit? It really doesn't make sense.

Luke DeCock tweeted that Waddell said Ferland was seeing a specialist with the hope of being cleared.

 

[My Special Purpose]

Luke DeCock tweeted that Waddell said Ferland was seeing a specialist with the hope of being cleared.

OK, so we can rule out concussion, because the Canes team doctor is a concussion specialist. We can probably rule out shoulder as well, since the team ortho would handle that. I guess the other big one that you'd need a specialist for is a back issue. I think we're going to find out -- similar to Clutterbuck -- that he's been dealing with slipped disks and/or stress fractures.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

OK, so we can rule out concussion, because the Canes team doctor is a concussion specialist. We can probably rule out shoulder as well, since the team ortho would handle that. I guess the other big one that you'd need a specialist for is a back issue. I think we're going to find out -- similar to Clutterbuck -- that he's been dealing with slipped disks and/or stress fractures.

The way he looked when he was slumped over a bit after that Wilson hit, I figured it was a shoulder or back. Unless he needs an MRI, I agree that the team doctor should be able to handle that.

 

[Joe McGrath]

I don’t know that you rule out a specialist for a shoulder issue, especially since this keeps recurring/flaring up.

What’s the thing pitchers have to get Tommy John surgery for, torn UCL? Something like that?

 

[Vagrant]

perhaps he's seeing his own specialist because he prefers an independent party to evaluate him? i don't think we can rule anything out with ferland. something seems funky about this whole thing.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

The most important ability is availability.

This is noise. Until he's available, he might as well not even exist.

 

[Vagrant]

silence creates a lot of meaningless speculation. it seems like most would be interested in shutting that down, unless in so doing they'd create even more questions. regardless, you're right. it's all noise. we'd benefit from him, but we've won a lot of meaningful hockey without him in the lineup as well.

 

[Roboturner913]

Could also be something like a pinched nerve and that's why it looked like his arm/shoulder went limp.

 

[My Special Purpose]

I don’t know that you rule out a specialist for a shoulder issue, especially since this keeps recurring/flaring up.

What’s the thing pitchers have to get Tommy John surgery for, torn UCL? Something like that?

True, but I was saying that the Canes have an ortho on staff.

perhaps he's seeing his own specialist because he prefers an independent party to evaluate him? i don't think we can rule anything out with ferland. something seems funky about this whole thing.

This is what I was getting at. It's all fishy.

 

[garnetpalmetto]

I don’t know that you rule out a specialist for a shoulder issue, especially since this keeps recurring/flaring up.

What’s the thing pitchers have to get Tommy John surgery for, torn UCL? Something like that?

True, but I was saying that the Canes have an ortho on staff.



This is what I was getting at. It's all fishy.

They do and he's...a shoulder specialist

William M. Isbell, MD

Specializing In
Knee, Shoulder, Knee (Sports Medicine), Shoulder (Sports Medicine)

Dr. Isbell is a fellowship trained Orthopaedic Surgeon specializing in sports medicine and shoulder surgery.

His areas of expertise include arthroscopic and reconstructive surgery of the shoulder and knee with an emphasis on advanced arthroscopic techniques. His clinical and research interests include: arthroscopic rotator cuff repair, shoulder replacement, reverse shoulder replacement, arthroscopic labral repairs, meniscus surgery, and ACL reconstruction. Dr. Isbell has authored and co-authored scientific articles and book chapters on various sports medicine related topics including ACL reconstruction, shoulder arthroscopy, meniscal repair and shoulder arthritis. He is a reviewer for the Journal of Arthroscopy and The Journal of Bone and Joint Surgery. He has been the Head Team Orthopedic Surgeon for the National Hockey League’s Carolina Hurricanes since 2006.

There's one shoulder guy in the area I'd recommend over Isbell and that's Kevin Speer. Isbell's pretty darned good and back in my workers' comp days he was a guy whose opinion we pretty much took as gospel.

 

[ChuckW]

Have to be careful with Ferland. Dude will go out there before he's ready and end up wrecking something and missing first 3 months of next season.

He's just that kind of guy. Brind'Amour is being smart sending him to a specialist and not taking the guy at his word that he can go.

 

[Negan4Coach]

They do and he's...a shoulder specialist



There's one shoulder guy in the area I'd recommend over Isbell and that's Kevin Speer. Isbell's pretty darned good and back in my workers' comp days he was a guy whose opinion we pretty much took as gospel.

Isbell is amazeballs. He was my surgeon after Ortho Specialists of NC destroyed my shoulder with a botched torn labrum surgery. He went right in there and fixed that shit.

 

[Borsig]

I for one am tired of the whole ferland thing dragging out.

He doesn't seem to be part of the locker room family.

We need his physicality. But I'm tired of the dragging on and what seems like endless excuses.

 

[Finnish Jerk Train]

Well, as someone who's been living with a wonky shoulder for ten years, I'm glad this thread at least has some good discussion on orthopedists.

Resistance band exercises help, but I don't really want to do them for the rest of my life. And they might be giving me tendonitis in that wrist.

 

[bleedgreen]

Holy hell, don't let bleed catch you saying that.

But on a serious note, I wonder what exactly precipitated a doctor's visit? It really doesn't make sense.

The desperate need for something deeper to be going on with Ferland has a life of its own that I hardly need to point a finger at anymore. It’s pure comedy to me at this point. I would say I hope he comes back and lays out every Bruin in sight while scoring five goals just to see everyone eat crow about the really pretty low down things they’ve said about him but they’ll just find some other crap to make up or minimize what he’s done. This board has always needed a scapegoat to hate on. Somehow Ferland is that guy currently. So be it. We’re a fickle bunch.

He’s still obviously what we lack and need and will be difficult to replace. I hope he comes back, we could really use him.

His downfall was letting that Saku hang out with him. That guys a scumbag.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

The desperate need for something deeper to be going on with Ferland has a life of its own that I hardly need to point a finger at anymore.

In fairness, the post of mine what Kev commented on simply speculating that maybe Rod didn't want to have a situation again where he would come back and leave part game so wanted a doctor (2nd opinion, specialist, etc..) to confirm. I wasn't looking for a "deeper meaning".

Players are going to want to play even when maybe they can't and I suspect Ferland is no different.

 

[bleedgreen]

In fairness, the post of mine what Kev commented on simply speculating that maybe Rod didn't want to have a situation again where he would come back and leave part game so wanted a doctor (2nd opinion, specialist, etc..) to confirm. I wasn't looking for a "deeper meaning".

Players are going to want to play even when maybe they can't and I suspect Ferland is no different.

Oh that didn’t come from your post. No worries. It’s been an ongoing topic as I’m sure you know.

 

[The Faulker 27]

The desperate need for something deeper to be going on with Ferland has a life of its own that I hardly need to point a finger at anymore. It’s pure comedy to me at this point. I would say I hope he comes back and lays out every Bruin in sight while scoring five goals just to see everyone eat crow about the really pretty low down things they’ve said about him but they’ll just find some other crap to make up or minimize what he’s done. This board has always needed a scapegoat to hate on. Somehow Ferland is that guy currently. So be it. We’re a fickle bunch.

He’s still obviously what we lack and need and will be difficult to replace. I hope he comes back, we could really use him.

His downfall was letting that Saku hang out with him. That guys a *******.

That's not unique to this board, or this fanbase, or this century.

 

[bleedgreen]

That's not unique to this board, or this fanbase, or this century.

Obviously.

 

[Borsig]

I totally agree we aren't here in the ecf without him. I totally agree we need him 100% in this series and what he brings. But I'm also not lost on him not taking road trips (Svech, Marty were there) and having a generally defensive shitty personality about it.

Maybe he's frustrated and wants to play. Maybe hes protecting his off season value. It's no real secret we all think he's gone in the off season because he has seemed to be holding out (on signing) to increase his value, which he isn't doing. At least not with us.

There's a lot of "talk" around him, and he's the only one not taking the road trips, and he's the only one with what seems to be excuse after excuse. I too, hope he comes back and starts obliterating people and scoring. But I just don't think he will.

As a fan, Im sick of it dragging out when we need his physicality. I'm also not keen on the hold out thing. Turbo signed a team friendly deal. I bet Aho signs for like 7-8. Jwilly will retire a cane, and I bet Petr stays here with the org that gave him a chance. Ferland isn't any more special than any of these guys, and needs to stop acting like he is.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I totally agree we aren't here in the ecf without him. I totally agree we need him 100% in this series and what he brings. But I'm also not lost on him not taking road trips (Svech, Marty were there) and having a generally defensive ****ty personality about it.

Maybe he's frustrated and wants to play. Maybe hes protecting his off season value. It's no real secret we all think he's gone in the off season because he has seemed to be holding out (on signing) to increase his value, which he isn't doing. At least not with us.

There's a lot of "talk" around him, and he's the only one not taking the road trips, and he's the only one with what seems to be excuse after excuse. I too, hope he comes back and starts obliterating people and scoring. But I just don't think he will.

As a fan, Im sick of it dragging out when we need his physicality. I'm also not keen on the hold out thing. Turbo signed a team friendly deal. I bet Aho signs for like 7-8. Jwilly will retire a cane, and I bet Petr stays here with the org that gave him a chance. Ferland isn't any more special than any of these guys, and needs to stop acting like he is.

What a bunch of nonsense.

 

[Borsig]

kay. Opinions differ.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

kay. Opinions differ.

It's not about opinions, you have no real facts to back up your assertions that I put in bold.

1) Ferland made one tweet about "maybe I'm rehabbing in Raleigh" which you took a leap and turned into "having a generally defensive shitty personality".

2) Ferland didn't go on a trip, and generally guys that had no chance to play (Maenalanen for instance, TVR for instance) don't go on trips. Martinook had a chance to play so was on the trip. Svech was going through the protocol and had a chance to play if he cleared so went on the trip. Yet you turn that into "he has a shitty personality", even though it's pretty standard in the NHL.

3) Earlier you commented "he's not part of the locker room family" (or something like that). Do you have a special pass that none of us have that allows you to be in the lockerroom to know this? Or are you watching the 30 second Rod talk at the end of a game and jumping to that conclusion.

4) Calling it a hold out is absolutely nonsense. He's not holding out, he's a UFA after the season and he's been trying to play while injured a number of times and kept getting re-injured. That's the exact opposite of a hold-out. These players live to play in the playoffs. Economically, the best thing for Ferland would be to play in the playoffs and have a great series. Teams would line up to pay the guy if he was out there hitting everything and scoring goals.

5) To top it all off, you then take a leap into "he's acting special".

So it's nonsense.

I can see a case where Rod is not happy that he keeps trying to come back too early and having to leave games which leaves the team short handed and then told him, get healthy enough where you can finish a game. Any coach would be frustrated with that and get fed up with it.

I get it, the lack of information can be frustrating and causes speculation.

 

[My Special Purpose]

Look, even Rod has dealt with his injury status differently. And he's weary of talking about it. There are clearly signs that the situation surrounding Ferland's status hasn't been "normal." But even if that's real, and I believe it is, it doesn't mean I'm questioning his commitment. It simply means I'm wondering why it's different.

bleed's post above is directed at my feeling about three weeks ago that Roddy is probably sick of having Ferland leave in the first period and wants him to say he's healthy enough to play a full 60 before he uses a lineup spot on him. Only to have bleed tell me that was preposterous, then BBA repeat the same theory three weeks later.

I'm the only guy on this board to choose Ferland as my playoff avatar. And he's *still* my avatar. I know how important he is. I know what he brings. I know how much we need him. But there's simply no way you can tell me that Ferland's injury has been handled the same way as Martinook's by Brindy and the team.

There *is* something deeper there. That doesn't mean it reflects on Ferland's character. It just means it's weird.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I don't have a problem with that. Saying something is different/weird is one thing. (As I said, I can see how Rod would be frustrated).

It was the reflection on his character by saying he's got a shitty personality, making excuses, holding out, not a lockerroom guy, acting special, etc... is what I disagreed with.