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Michael Ryder Thread: The "Erik Who?" edition

Ryder is going to be coming over 2 strong seasons, and might be his last big contract, I think he is going to ask for 4 years 5M, but will probaly get 3 years at that money.

At the time of the trade, I thought we would let him leave and use the money on someone like Perry, I really thought he would leave the Ducks (Perry), but now I'm not sure anymore , maybe try to find some via trade in regards, or maybe just re-signing Ryder.

I think Ryder's spot on the team expires in the next two years. With Kristo coming up, Diaz coming back from injury and Galchenyuk and Eller getting some PP time, I think the PP will be okay.

Pacioretty- Desharnais - Gallagher
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I'd offer 2 years at 4.5-5 or 3 at 4. He definitely has 2 good years left. Seems to have gotten better with age so that's a good sign when you weigh the risks. I like him a lot and really hope we get a good deal done. But most likely he'll look for a 4-5 year deal and walk. I don't blame him either.
 
I think Ryder's spot on the team expires in the next two years. With Kristo coming up, Diaz coming back from injury and Galchenyuk and Eller getting some PP time, I think the PP will be okay.

Pacioretty- Desharnais - Gallagher
Galchenyuk-Plekanec-Gionta
Bourque-Eller-Kristo
XXX -Dumont-Moen

You forgot Prust on your 4th line....

I don't think Kristo is NHL ready, and certainly not good enough yet to replace Ryder.

At worst, Prust will continue to play on the 3rd line. And Dumont will join Moen and White on tbe 4th. I would not be surprised to see Bervevin re-signing Armstrong.
 
I think Ryder's spot on the team expires in the next two years. With Kristo coming up, Diaz coming back from injury and Galchenyuk and Eller getting some PP time, I think the PP will be okay.

Pacioretty- Desharnais - Gallagher
Galchenyuk-Plekanec-Gionta
Bourque-Eller-Kristo
XXX -Dumont-Moen

2 years would be perfect, but you have to look at it from Ryders point of view, he is 33 years old, had 35 goals last year, would be on pace for close to the same thing this year it was a full year. No way he takes a 2 year deal, this probably the only time he coming off a great season when his contract is up.
 
If he plays well in the playoffs, pay him whatever he wants. There isn't a UFA that can play his role and I'd definitely keep him over Gionta.
 
You forgot Prust on your 4th line....

I don't think Kristo is NHL ready, and certainly not good enough yet to replace Ryder.

At worst, Prust will continue to play on the 3rd line. And Dumont will join Moen and White on tbe 4th. I would not be surprised to see Bervevin re-signing Armstrong.

Knew I'd forgotten someone! The point of posting a roster isn't nearly as valid without him....

I wouldn't say Kristo is replacing Ryder. More or less the combination of Galchenyuk, Eller and Kristo all being put into offensive roles would be replacing Ryder. I'm all for giving him a shot but if Kristo isn't NHL ready... That changes things. Would almost rather trade Desharnais for another winger instead of putting the team in a bad position cap-wise for the next couple of years.

BUT. Sign him for 3/4 years and let Gionta walk next year. Boom, another 5mil and a roster spot. Unless Bergevin is guaranteed Clowe or Clarkson (the only comparable FA fwds), might as well keep Ryder on the team. If Ryder wants more than 5mil I'd let him walk the plank.

BUT then there's a tonne of skill only, not very big or physical forwards on the team and still too many centres.
 
In my view MB is, with the approach hes taking, trying to put together what we have been craving for, a team that will contend for the Cup year in and year out for many years, like the Flyers, Boston etc. Our top young guys who are the core Mb has been signing to long 6 year deals after their bridge contracts. I don't think MB right now is looking at handing out long term deals to other players who he doesn't think will be effective in the role they are signed for unless he is confident they can play at that level over the duration of that contract. In other words, he isn't going to sign a guy to a 4 year deal just to have that player because he will help now, if he believes the guy only has a couple of good years left. I think Cole was in that area of concern and MB wanted to eject that contract so it didn't handicap the team in future. So Ryder, love his offense, and so will other teams. No question Ryder should command a 3-4 year deal at $4.5M-$5.0M per year. No crystal ball here, but the guy is 33 and though he is a guy who relies on very intelligent positioning and anticipation with a deadly shot, as opposed to a speed game and so he might be able to keep it up longer , I don't know about him producing at least almost 30 goals a year for the next 3-4 years. That is what I think he needs to score, at least, to make a contract like that worth it.
I know people are saying that the UFA market is weak, so what the hell sign the guy, but that's settling, which the Habs have done so often in the past ( like you know Gainey wanting the big centre like Vinny, Arnott, but we settled for Gomez ), and I don't see MB as a guy who settles, especially for such a price tag and term. So what to do ? Maybe wait for next years UFA market or trade for the rights to a younger UFA to be.Or, Im thinking MB is open to doing something we haven't seen too often lately here, real hockey trades of significance. We are building depth, especially on D and MB will use it. for example, if Nathan B shows enough that MB thinks he can handle being our regular PMD on the bottom pairing, and Diaz comes back and plays like he was, then MB has a valuable asset in Diaz to trade, maybe as a package, to get a younger top 6 winger who can score and be an effective part of the team for years. This is an example, I like Diaz, just saying depth gives you options.
 
Never gets the credit IMO that he deserves....again playing great hockey like in the playoffs for Boston ...last year and this year with Dallas and now playing awesome with montreal
 
Well, it seems like he's bought in to Therrien's system. I've seen him backcheck and all that. Strong on the puck and pretty good at controlling the pace. He certainly should be considered for a re-signing, at an appropriate price, of course.
 
This Ryder is not the Ryder of old. And it's not just the back-checking and the involvement. It's his whole style. He was like Cammy. Streaky wrist sniper. He no longer waits for the perfect pass to wire it top cheese. He hustles and goes to the dirty areas for the tip-in. He doesn't give up on loose pucks and battles. Playing for a contract is definitely a motivation but he simply matured from the kid we drafted a while back.
 
He's also became a very good playmaker. I still remember a two on one pass he made to Koivu for a goal and I was impressed by it. Always thought he made good passes but it seemed like his decision making was a bit off. This time around, he's playing really well and deserves a new contract. It's gonna be costy, but let's not make the mistake of letting him go.
 
If I was Bergevin, Ryder would be my 2nd line RW next seasonafter we trade Gionta back to New Jersey at the draft. He's been unreal this season, I just can't get over how much his passing game improved since we let him go in 09.

Gionta passes to Gionta would sound good.

Of course it would sound better if we get Clarkson.
 
this isn't the same Michael Ryder we were used to back in the day. I think Ryder needs to be resigned. He can get 20-25 goals a year, a shooter, right hand, size but lacks speed. Give me 3 years at $4.5 mil per.

I like the Galchenyuk-Eller-Ryder line alot. Playmaker-Powerforward-Sniper.
 
The great thing is he's effective even when he's not scoring goals which is definitely not the Ryder of old.

By the time Gionta's contract is up someone from within will be able to take his place so that should free up some cap space. I'd be willing to slightly over pay for Ryder. I hope he'll take something reasonable.

Even though we'd probably make out fine without Ryder, it just wouldn't sit well with me that we'd be keeping Gionta and letting Ryder walk.
 
The great thing is he's effective even when he's not scoring goals which is definitely not the Ryder of old.

By the time Gionta's contract is up someone from within will be able to take his place so that should free up some cap space. I'd be willing to slightly over pay for Ryder. I hope he'll take something reasonable.

Even though we'd probably make out fine without Ryder, it just wouldn't sit well with me that we'd be keeping Gionta and letting Ryder walk.

paid 5Mil, close to his mid 30's, showing signs of his age, has a NTC.

chances of him being traded before his contract ends are slim.
 
He's given us the second line left winger we were looking for. Gallagher took Cole's spot and Ryder has rounded out the top 6. Keep him for the next three years.

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After Gionta's contract expires next year, let him go.
Promote Gallagher and call up Kristo for the third line.
Shift Galchenyuk to center when Collberg is ready and make a decision on your four centers.
Find a way to fit Bourque on the top three lines. Right now, Prust is doing a heck of a job insulating smaller, younger players.
Somehow fit in the rest of the prospects on that deep team :laugh:.
 
The great thing is he's effective even when he's not scoring goals which is definitely not the Ryder of old.

By the time Gionta's contract is up someone from within will be able to take his place so that should free up some cap space. I'd be willing to slightly over pay for Ryder. I hope he'll take something reasonable.

Even though we'd probably make out fine without Ryder, it just wouldn't sit well with me that we'd be keeping Gionta and letting Ryder walk.

The big difference between Ryder and Gionta is that Gionta's contract is up after next year, if you re-sign Ryder then you add at least another year, probably 2 or 3 to that as Ryder has good leverage. Do you want Ryder here in 3-4 years in the way of Holland LeBlanc Kristo Collberg Bozon Hudon etc?

PLUS Ryder gives you what you see on the ice when he is scoring, Gionta gives you a much better 2 way game plus he is a leader in the room, Ryder isn't a bad guy but he isn't a leader type personality. Having a guy like Gionta on a team with 3-5 rookies in the lineup every night brings value to the table. One of the reasons our young players are now developping well is strong leaders.
 
I'd do 3 years @ 5 for Ryder.
Next season is the limiting season as far as cap hit goes right?
The season after that is the one where Gionta is gone?
If you can do it, why not go with basicly the same team as this year?
 
Gionta passes to Gionta would sound good.

Of course it would sound better if we get Clarkson.

Clarkson has been a ghost the last 8 weeks with New Jersey struggling...

Last 26 games 3-2-5 and -10.

I get the impression he will be a UFA flop if they let him walk. Somebody(Phillie?) will sign him for 4-5 years at 4.5-5 mil/year and he'll put up 35 points a year on a 3rd line.
 
I'd do 3 years @ 5 for Ryder.
Next season is the limiting season as far as cap hit goes right?
The season after that is the one where Gionta is gone?
If you can do it, why not go with basicly the same team as this year?

I don't think MB wants to go past 2 years. With the young wingers on the way, that would block a lot of them. Plus at 5 mil/year it may make him hard to trade if his production is below 25 goals/year.
 

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