bsl
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Michael Ryder Thread: The "Erik Who?" edition
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I think the hold up between the Habs and Ryder is he may want a 3-4 year deal and they only want to offer 1 or 2.
kris
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I'd take Ryder over Bourque, personally...If anyone had around the league had interest I'd love to move him.
Everyone seems to forget last year from his what, 15 games of production this year?
Everyone seems to forget last year from his what, 15 games of production this year?
I guess I have to agree that goals are important in hockey, and a plus player with goal scoring ability is an attractive thing. We can afford both Ryder and Bourque. With Getzlaf and Perry off the market, the two big offensive forwards available are Ryder and Ribeiro. I prefer Ryder in that case, as we are well positioned at Center.
CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER 2013-14
FORWARDS
Max Pacioretty ($4.500m) / Alex Galchenyuk ($3.225m) / Michael Ryder ($5.000m)
Lars Eller ($1.325m) / Tomas Plekanec ($5.000m) / Brian Gionta ($5.000m)
Rene Bourque ($3.333m) / David Desharnais ($3.500m) / Brendan Gallagher ($0.870m)
Brandon Prust ($2.500m) / Jeff Halpern ($0.700m) / Travis Moen ($1.850m)
Gabriel Dumont ($0.578m) / Ryan White ($0.722m)
DEFENSEMEN
Andrei Markov ($5.750m) / Alexei Emelin ($2.000m)
Josh Gorges ($3.900m) / P.K. Subban ($2.875m)
Raphael Diaz ($1.225m) / Francis Bouillon ($1.500m)
Davis Drewiske ($0.617m)
GOALTENDERS
Carey Price ($6.500m)
Peter Budaj ($1.750m)
OTHER
Buyout: Tomas Kaberle ($0.000m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,219,375; BONUSES: $2,485,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $2,565,625
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1-Ryder will cost more to sign(Bourque only gets a 3.3 mil cap hit), Ryder will cost 4.5-5.25 mil cap hit depending on term.
2-we need a player Bourque's style more than one Ryder's style.
3-no reason we can't have both, if we let either one walk/trade Bourque we'd have to go out and add another player(trade/UFA)
Agreed on all counts.
Having those two gives ample time for our youngsters to continue to develop in a sheltered role, both in the NHL (Gallagher/Galchenyuk) and the AHL (Kristo, Leblanc, etc). No need to rush these guys into bigger roles.
Plus if you don't have inflated contracts you can move veterans if a younger player takes his spot. Bourque if he keeps playing like he was this year would be easy to move for a pick/prospect if we didn't have room for him.
The UFA market actually looks pretty deep to me, as far as forwards go... Ribeiro, Boyes, Dupuis, Jagr, Koivu, Iginla, Bozak, Roy, Brunner, Horton, Raymond, Stalberg...
Anyway, I'd also lock Ryder up, might as well stick with the (very good) bird in hand. I just don't think he'll be as expensive as most posters do.
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macavoy
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We need a 2nd top 6 center still, neither Gally or Eller are ready for that next year if you want to have a successful year.
I believe the transition will happen DURING next year, but not before the year starts. Give him some PP time, and the points will come, and the additional confidence that comes with it. A line of Galchenyuk, Ryder and Pacioretty could do some major, maor damage, if the Plekanec line or a shutdown line like Halpern-Moen-Prust neutralizes the opponents's top line.
Eventually, I see Eller as a top-6 winger playing on a two-way line with tons of minutes against top opposition, while being an injury replacement top-9 center. This is because his vision is not as good as Galchenyuk's or DD's, but he has the size and speed and strength to be a great complement to Plekance and Gionta, better than Bourque actually.
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I think Eller will be ready. I mean 3rd full season under his belt. All that is left for him to do is get the offensive opportunities. Even undrafted DD didn't have to wait as long after entering the NHL for his chance.
Again this is only if we don't think there is room to sign Ryder. He certainly might become to expensive. I dont think MB trade Cole to give Ryder a Cole contract (4years 4+ mill.) Cole didnt look like he was going to slow down last year so you never know what Ryder will do next year. I believe there is only a 1 year difference in age between them.
macavoy
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Ideally that would be the goal. But you still need to keep him sheltered so he can develop to that point properly. If you were to trade DD before that happened, it may hinder his development.
I wish there was an exceptional player rule where you could give a top 5 pick AHL time instead of Jr. A small stint there would probably help his development. Let him be the #1 go to guy for a bit to find his rythem against men.
I believe that offensive players need to produce as part of their development. I wish they would increase his PP time.
macavoy
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It's not worth risking the season imo. Eller hasn't proven he can contribute production wise consistently. The only reason why DD was given opportunity was because he has consistently produced.
Also if Eller is put in as a top 6 center, that leaves a huge hole in our 3rd line center spot. Gally isn't near ready to take on that role next year. Your plan is a recipe for failure.
I agree with you about Ryder though. It was more of a Cole dump but he seems to mesh so well with this team and we should try to keep him if we can.
But it's perfectly understandable if he goes to look for greener pastures.
peate
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Looking at those CApGeek numbers I have a question: How does Chuckie get 3.2+ mil in his rookie year? Isn't that contrary to league policy on rookies? What does Nail get?
There are rookie bonuses in there that he will probably net little or nothing from.
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I don't think so. DD is a different kind of player, a playmaker. Galchenyuk is his replacement. Eller can fill in for Plekanec, or become a third line center, or a Top-6 left winger.
Marc the Habs Fan
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Re-signing Ryder has NOTHING to do with the centers.
We have the cap room to give a winger 7 M.
He does want a long-term deal: http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2013/04/05/ryder-surpasse-les-attentes
We have the cap room to give a winger 7 M.
He does want a long-term deal: http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2013/04/05/ryder-surpasse-les-attentes
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With Corey Perry no longer a UFA there's no reason not to sign Ryder.
That being said, Anaheim had enough cap to sign both Getzlaf and Perry so I'm curious why did habs fans think we even ever had a chance to sign him? Because he said he was a habs fan while growing up?
That being said, Anaheim had enough cap to sign both Getzlaf and Perry so I'm curious why did habs fans think we even ever had a chance to sign him? Because he said he was a habs fan while growing up?
